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Looking at the WMD editor tooltips, I see that Ctrl+Q is supposed to create a blockquote:

"Blockquote <blockquote> Ctrl+Q"

In the German keyboard layout, the @ and Q share one key, you would press ALT-GR+Q or the equivalent (as far as keycodes go) CTRL+ALT+Q to get an @.

You can probably see where this leads: Every time I want to type an @ I get:

> Blockquote

on a new line. Doing many XSLT questions I need the @ quite often. Either I type all the code in an external editor, or I need to copy-paste a single @ off some other place around the browser. Every. time.

This annoys the hell out of me. I think checking the CRTL-Q shortcut for the state of the ALT key (must not be depressed) would fix this.

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there's a "Gr" key? –  Jason S Jul 3 '09 at 12:44
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@Jason S: on German keyboards there is a ALT-GR key where on US keyboards is the right ALT key. –  Ladybug Killer Jul 4 '09 at 8:48
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Not only German keyboards, Turkish keyboards have GR too :) –  Canavar Jul 18 '09 at 11:49
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Spanish keyboards also have this key. –  Manuel Ferreria Aug 1 '09 at 12:29
    
Irish keyboards also have this key. On some symbols it gives you an alternative alternative (the € sign, the ¦ broken pipe characted). Alt-GR Q doesn't give me @ in anything however, @ is shift+' for me. –  Macha Aug 1 '09 at 12:52
    
What browser are you using? This doesn't happen to me. –  innaM Aug 7 '09 at 9:46
    
Firefox 3.5, on Windows XP, Keyboard layout is "German (IBM)". I'm checking with "German (Germany)"... same thing. I type "@", I get "> Blockquote" –  Tomalak Aug 7 '09 at 9:51
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I get the same behaviour on Windows Vista with FF 3.5; however not on Linux with FF 3.0. –  balpha Aug 7 '09 at 10:00
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I can reproduce this in Safe Mode. –  Ladybug Killer Aug 7 '09 at 10:03
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Duplicate: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/2051/… –  laalto Aug 8 '09 at 22:51
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The problem cause and solution can be derived from: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key#History - As I said, checking for the ALT key would probably fix this (and all the other ALT-GR related) errors. –  Tomalak Aug 10 '09 at 7:29
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+1, annoying as hell :) (Chrome on XP) –  Michael Stum Oct 6 '09 at 13:40
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This has been an enriching conversation about keyboards –  staticx Dec 10 '09 at 2:33
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@ilhan please vote to re-open the question. It has been closed as a dupe for another question, but the other question has been closed as a dupe for this one! Circular dependency of two closed questions sucks. Please also ask others to vote for to re-open the question! –  Tomalak Jul 20 '10 at 0:41
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fixed in dev ... –  waffles Jul 20 '10 at 2:24

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up vote 3 down vote accepted

CTRL-ALT combination no longer maps to any shortcuts CTRL-Q and the rest of them.

Sorry it took us so long to sort this.

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Ohhhh it's so nice when the pain goes away… Thank you! *frolicks* :-) –  Tomalak Jul 22 '10 at 12:16
    
Now, while you are at it: Can you do the same for CTRL-SHIFT? (CTRL-SHIFT-I should not invoke the "italics" shortcut, only CTRL-I should.) Thanks! :-) –  Tomalak Jul 22 '10 at 12:19
    
@Tomalak can you open a separate issue on that so we can track it ? –  waffles Jul 22 '10 at 12:29
    
Done - meta.stackexchange.com/questions/58076 –  Tomalak Jul 22 '10 at 16:02
    
there already was a separate issue open for it, but you marked it as status-completed: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/51389/… –  Andy E Jul 22 '10 at 16:13

Yes. How can you treat so badly your users from a country that invented a waffle variation as beautiful as this? (Yes, apparently we came up with the heart-shaped waffle.)

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Ein Hoch auf herzförmige Waffeln! Rechtecke sind hässlich. –  balpha Mar 26 '10 at 13:43
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Germanen est un weirdesch-lookinen languageschmord. –  mmyers Mar 26 '10 at 14:05
    
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@Downvoter: That's about Spanish. Totally unrelated. –  balpha Mar 26 '10 at 15:21
    
@bal, It's about using different languageschmords –  jmfsg Mar 26 '10 at 15:22
    
@Juan Manuel: I'll translate it for you: "Cheers to heart shaped waffles! Rectangles are ugly." –  Tobias Kienzler Jul 15 '10 at 7:41

I see the same behavior. Of course, you can work around this by typing Left Alt + NumPad 0 6 4.

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Background: why Ctrl-Alt should never be used for keyboard shortcuts. There are many other potentially-troublesome characters... indeed, on the keyboard I use, almost every AltGr+letter combination is used for typing various symbols.

If WMD must use the Ctrl key for shortcuts (and it's questionable, in a browser), it should check that the Alt key is not also held down before triggering.

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These are just shortcuts in the editor. "AltGr" is equal to Ctrl + Alt on a US keyboard. So the shortcuts in question are ctrl+alt+q and ctrl+alt+1.

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ALT-GR is equivalent to CRTL+ALT, not to CTRL+SHIFT. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AltGr_key#History –  Tomalak Aug 10 '09 at 7:26

I guess the shortcuts in the WMD editor will have to get localized to solve this...

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In general, localized keyboard shortcuts are terrible. You need to learn a different set of shortcuts for each language you understand and you need to stop and think about the lang of the software every time you use them. Does SO need so many keyboard shortcuts that you absolutely have to use Ctrl+Alt? –  Álvaro G. Vicario Apr 13 '10 at 9:33

A similar issue is AltGr + + (next to 0 in the upper row) on this Finnish/Swedish keyboard layout that normally would output a backslash but now toggles backtick enter code here.

So far when having to enter a backslash, I've typed it in some other app and then copy-pasted to SO answer box.

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Oh, didn't realise I could have left a comment with 1 rep on mSO, unlike SO where you need 50. –  laalto Jul 4 '09 at 7:35
    
add French keyboard (use AltGr+**+** for the } symbol) –  serhio Dec 18 '09 at 23:29

This is how the WMD Editor works. Since Shift + 2 is @ in american keyboards and does not cause trouble there.

This question could be turned into this UV item if the mods change it.

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The URL is dead, and the whole uservoice thing predates my time here; is there a new URL for this? –  sarnold Jan 24 '12 at 2:00

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