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bash script merge and python slicing

bash script file merge / piping and Python slicing

Are exact duplicates, so I attempted to flag one as such, and got an error message along the lines of "exact duplicates must be on the same site". When I then tried to flag it as "other" with the text "exact duplicate of (link)", I got another error message saying that I should flag it as an exact duplicate with the relevant ID.

This is more than a little confusing. I've just read one or two questions here on Meta which suggest that cross-site dupes are not, in fact, discouraged (which seems crazy to me, but there you go). If that is the case, it might be worth saying so more clearly when someone attempts to flag them (or at least having a canonical FAQ here that people can be pointed to).

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+1 since I think this is a valid problem. Duplicates serve as signposts and should be able to redirect you to an answer on a related site all the well. Programmers and sysadmins often have 100% overlapping problems and they have overlapping skill sets, so under healthy behavior there should be some dupes between SO and SU just like there are within each. –  djechlin May 15 '13 at 18:40

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From flagger perspective, cross-posts are rather comfortable "target", mainly because there is a solid reference that justifies flagging - 'cross-posting' tag wiki at MSO:

Cross Posting refers to posting the same question over multiple Stack Exchange sites. Cross-posting is strictly frowned upon as it leads to fragmented answers splattered all over the network. If you spot a user cross-posting, please make use of Moderator Flags to inform the Moderators...

Based on my reading of above guidance, I have successfully flagged cross-posts using custom ("Other") flag with message that explicitly refers to tag wiki:

cross-posted at <other site name>: <question URL at other site> (flagging per http://meta.stackoverflow.com/tags/cross-posting/info)

  • So far, I have flagged several dozens posts at Programmers, with only a single decline. Decline reason for that single failed flag could likely be successfully challenged, but I just didn't bother to compose sufficiently researched and polite appeal at meta.

Couple additional considerations for flaggers willing to minimize risk of declines.

  • Leave decision on what to do (close, delete, keep...) at discretion of moderator. Note that tag wiki don't specify concrete action => anything you'd "push" for would be on your own risk. Note also that "strictly frowned upon" statement may have exceptions: for an example when cross-posting was considered appropriate, refer to this discussion at WP meta:

    Cross posting is generally a bad idea and I wouldn't suggest it for questions that aren't truly suitable for both sites, but this one is...

  • Stick with flagging at one of involved sites (although technically, cross-posts allow one to flag at both). Assuming that for cross-site issues moderators of involved sites may communicate, flagging at both sites carries a risk of being considered redundant.

  • Avoid flagging in series. Moderators may prefer to deal with single list of problematic posts instead of handling a bunch of similar flags submitted in quick succession. If you happen to discover several cross-posts, safer way would be to describe this issue in site meta or in chat, then flag one of them with message like:

    I believe there is an issue (cross-posting) with this and couple other posts, please take a look here: <refer to chat or meta>

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There's no such thing as a cross-site duplicate.

Each site has its own user community and scope. It's challenging enough for a community to run itself without having to worry about what's going on on some other site. That's part of the reason that migrations are so difficult; they require accurately knowing the scope of both sites to get it right.

You cannot choose an alternate site for closing as a duplicate, because duplication is (and always has been) considered a single-site phenomenon for purposes of closing.

Cross-posting is discouraged, however. If you see it, and you don't see any value in the question being on two sites, flag the question on the site where it is less on-topic, using the custom description, and explain that it is a cross-post, and should be removed.

The way you identify cross-posts is that they are usually copy/pastes; there's no effort on the part of the OP to tailor the question for each site's scope. Posting a question on two different sites is perfectly fine, if the OP can make the question relevant for each site.

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Okay, fine, that's the policy ... I've never heard it before, though, and the system's response to my attempt at flagging didn't make it clear either. –  Zero Piraeus May 15 '13 at 18:29
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What about the two in the OP's post? –  djechlin May 15 '13 at 18:29
    
@djechlin: See my update. –  Robert Harvey May 15 '13 at 18:35
    
Removed DV. I still think there's the problem that 1) problems faced by SOers are often also faced by SUers and 2) there is some number of innocent, legitimate cross-site dupes. These should still be able to serve as "signposts," in this case, to the other site. –  djechlin May 15 '13 at 18:37
    
@djechlin: There are already solutions available. Migrate one of the questions, close as dup on the target site. Or just flag one of the post for closure/deletion. –  Robert Harvey May 15 '13 at 18:38
    
Clearly there is such a thing as a cross-site duplicate, unless you seriously mangle the English language. Whether they're a good or bad thing is a policy decision. I agree with @djechlin that labelling as a dupe helps people in one community find answers on another when there's a genuine overlap, but if that's not going to happen, my question relates to how a user attempting to flag is advised/educated (i.e. right now: not very well). –  Zero Piraeus May 15 '13 at 18:46
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@ZeroPiraeus: I'll be more specific. The close dialog does not allow you to specify a different site for the close as duplicate target, and there are no plans or feature requests to provide for such functionality. One of the reasons that such functionality doesn't already exist is because duplication is (and always has been) considered a single-site phenomenon for purposes of closing. –  Robert Harvey May 15 '13 at 18:48

If the question is generally the same but is asked in good faith by different users, and is on topic on both sites, then it is fine that it exists on both sites. If you think a question on one site would be beneficial for readers on the other site, leave a link in the comment section.

(That George Stocker will want to delete later.)

If the question is cross-posted by the same user, then flag it, as user cross-posting is discouraged.

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No. The general consensus is that if a question is on topic on both sites, it should just exist on one. See this FAQ entry for more: Is cross-posting a question on multiple Stack Exchange sites permitted if the question is on-topic for each site? –  slhck May 15 '13 at 19:01
    
Who said anything about a user cross-posting? It wasn't specifically mentioned, and I'm not encouraging it. –  Anthony Pegram May 15 '13 at 19:09
    
That is the exact situation you're seeing here. The question was asked on Super User a few minutes after posting on Stack Overflow. They're exact duplicates. –  slhck May 15 '13 at 19:13
    
Who has time to click through links and further figure out of user129whatever is the same? Anyway, exception to the rule. Burn those with fire and ban the poster and leave his or her head on a spear to serve as warning. But leave the rest alone. –  Anthony Pegram May 15 '13 at 19:14
    
So you are talking about, say, a question about how to run a Python script at startup that exists on both SU and SO and has been asked by two different people months apart? (And believe it or not – after some time you get a special feeling for cross-posts by the same user. And we do check their profiles.) –  slhck May 15 '13 at 19:16
    
Yes. That situation, as the text of this question seems generally applicable to questions asked by different users in good faith on different sites. –  Anthony Pegram May 15 '13 at 19:17

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