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I herewith object to the deletion of Ivor Horton's Beginning Visual C++ 2010. No, it's not an exemplary question, and, yes, I agree to it being closed. I object to it being deleted, though. Can some mod please undelete it?

Rationale: When the question is closed, rather than deleted, it can still be found, and answers read, by non-10k users and occasional visitors. At the same time, everybody seeing the question notice that it got closed and for what reason, and has thus a chance to learn that this kind of questions is not wanted.

If the question is deleted, those googling for it will not find it at Stackoverflow and might ask it again.

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If an off-topic question is found, it can be used by others as "evidence" that such posts are allowed. – Oded May 22 '13 at 13:08
@Oded Isn't it closed as off-topic? – Bartek Banachewicz May 22 '13 at 13:09
@BartekBanachewicz - Yes, but it is still there. New users don't notice, or choose to ignore such subtleties. – Oded May 22 '13 at 13:10
Can you (or someone else) provide screen shot of the QnA in question. – thecoshman May 22 '13 at 13:11
@Oded if they don't notice it, maybe that's the real problem? Not that I would be a fan of gigantic "CLOSED" in red stamped all over the question, but if that's necessary... And if someone ignores that, I doubt he will be a welcomed person in our community; after all, we don't want people that don't read such statements, do we? – Bartek Banachewicz May 22 '13 at 13:12
The whole point of closing a question is to make it a candidate for deletion - as a question that is not suitable to Stack Overflow. If we keep these around for eternity, why close them at all? – Oded May 22 '13 at 13:14
This essentially reads to me as - why did you delete this useful resource? Even though it is off-topic and doesn't belong on the site? – Oded May 22 '13 at 13:15
The whole point of StackExchange / StackOverflow is to be a repository of useful questions. If OT questions still stick around but closed then that means SE / SO becomes a collection of very useful questions and off-topic closed questions. That's not really of much use to people if they have to wade through loads of 'Closed' posts to find some useful open ones. – JonW May 22 '13 at 13:16
@Oded I was under impression closing is to a) preserve duplicates with valuable information b) make offtopic or otherwise not-belonging questions stand as an example what NOT to post. And I think it's pretty much aligned with the SO policy. – Bartek Banachewicz May 22 '13 at 13:17
@BartekBanachewicz - With "asked 2 years ago, viewed 642 times", it doesn't count in my eyes as a valuable post to preserve (not for historical reasons, anyway). It was not a duplicate - it was simply "not constructive" and it took a while to remove. As for B, there are plenty of such posts around. – Oded May 22 '13 at 13:20
"If the question is deleted, those googling for it will not find it at Stackoverflow and might ask it again." Yeah, not falling for that one, sorry. – casperOne May 22 '13 at 13:23
@sbi The part I quoted is a bait from you and we both know it. I didn't think that you needed that explained to you. Your position is basically "let's keep every crappy question undeleted because someone else might ask it." If that's the case, I'm going to start going through the deleted c++ posts and undeleting them, because we don't want someone else to ask those crappy questions again. – casperOne May 22 '13 at 13:37
That question was abysmally bad, and the very definition of a "broken window". It needed to go. – LittleBobbyTables May 22 '13 at 13:39
I agree, we are hypocrites when we say "broken windows" because the biggest one of all, the C++ book list, is undeleted and open. Mic drop – casperOne May 22 '13 at 13:51
@Bart: They weren't impressed. – sbi May 22 '13 at 15:56

This is a poor question. Its text:

How good this book is for learning C++? Has someone read it?

the most upvoted answer:

Without knowing the book, I would strongly suspect from the title that it teaches you "Visual C++" instead of C++. That is, it will likely teach you how the IDE works, the VC dialect of C++, and C++/CLI.
So if you want to learn C++, you'd better have a look at The Definitive C++ Book Guide and List.

However, if you indeed want to learn Visual C++, I'll step aside for someone who actually knows the book.

It's basically a plug for another question (which probably shouldn't around either, but there be dragons).

If this was a useful question, I'd consider undeleting it, but as it stands, I have to agree with the moderator who deleted the question. It's doing no good staying around, and we are not worse off for deleting it.

If there is a closed question with:

  • A lot of views and
  • A lot of external links and
  • Good content and
  • Makes Stack Overflow worse off for deleting it,

then it shouldn't be deleted.

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Shame; now we can't delete this question because you answered! – user176088 May 22 '13 at 13:27
@ScottW Maniacal Laugh. – George Stocker May 22 '13 at 13:28
This is a well-researched list of reasons to close the question. I was, however, objecting to it being deleted. – sbi May 22 '13 at 13:34
@sbi See the criteria I listed for something to not be deleted. Which of those criteria does it meet? If it doesn't meet all of them, it should be deleted. – George Stocker May 22 '13 at 13:35
@GeorgeStocker: A question that meets those criteria shouldn't be closed. – sbi May 22 '13 at 13:40
@sbi Now we just disagree. By the way, What's your best programmer joke? – George Stocker May 22 '13 at 13:41
reaction: (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻ – thecoshman May 22 '13 at 14:59

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