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Over the past few weeks, there have been a number of complaints about users making suggested edits en masse whose quality was at least questionable.

Let an example of a low-quality edit be the addition of the web-frameworks tag to dozens of questions about the PHP web framework Laravel. No one is ever going to use it in a search, but Laravel is a framework, right?

(If you disagree about this being a low-quality edit, please bear with me anyway - my point here is that the system through which such conflicts could be settled is broken.)

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This is a toxic situation guaranteed to create strife because -

The new user is happy to have found a way to participate and earn some rep; they may be genuinely feeling that they are improving the site. The reviewers greenlighting most of their suggestions confirms them in their belief.

The reviewers usually see only one edit - and it's easy to see how they might go, "meh, this isn't a terribly useful edit, but hey, maybe it helps someone, and it's a new user. No point discouraging them."

The veteran users who check out the editor see dozens of what they perceive as low-quality edits, usually ignoring anything else that should be fixed in the post. To the veterans, the new user is systematically looking for excuses to make their pointless edits, creating a giant mess in order to gain some rep - a mess they have to clean up, while there is no recourse for the editor, who gets to keep their ill-gotten points. While a bad question or answer can be downvoted - usually leading to a change of behaviour eventually - the edit system looks like it's wide open for gaming.

So tensions are high, and when there's dialog it can be angry. I'm not saying either side is completely right. I'm completely prepared to believe that many of these edits are in good faith, etc. But it's a mess because it's frustrating people. As said, there is no recourse for bad-faith mass editing; apart from commenting on some random post, there is no way to communicate with an editor. The outcome of a moderator flag is very much uncertain. The absence of a clear set of rules means there's plenty of room for heated arguments.

Something needs to change here.

Either

  • We need super clear rules on what makes a good tag edit

  • Tag-only edits should be allowed only for 2k+ users, or they should not gain 2 reputation points for <2k users

  • The possible 1000 rep gain for suggested edits needs to be rate-limited (say, 200 per month) (this is my favourite!)

  • The possible 1000 rep gain for suggested edits needs to be lowered, say to 500 or 250

  • Rollbacks of suggested edits should result in annulment of the 2 points gained (this is terrible)

  • There should be a system to vote on edits (yes, that's been suggested before)

  • There should be a defined and officially sanctioned pathway, and ruleset, for moderator flags cast about these users

... or something else. But something needs to give.

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I'd add that there should be a way for moderators to manually trigger an edit ban on a user, and it shouldn't be buried in some random link in the admin panel like the manual review ban trigger is (this doubles as a request to move that one to a more convenient place). –  animuson Feb 13 at 0:03
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Related. :P –  Doorknob Feb 13 at 0:50
    
Complaints about suggested edits in just the past few weeks? Did your avatar changes confuse you? –  Uphill Luge Feb 13 at 0:51
    
@Uphill heh, yeah. But wacky mass tag-edits seem to have become a particular fad lately –  Pëkka Feb 13 at 4:16
    
Is there a daily limit for users for suggesting edits? Like 20 edit suggestion per day? –  FallenAngel Feb 13 at 15:53
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Also, tag-only-edit is hard to resolve. I come across some users who make single character edit (adding a single whitespace to the end of the last sentence) to the post. Setting a rep limit for tag-only edits will cause worse situation because users will add some whitespace to the text body to overcome this. Messing the whole question/answer for +2 rep is the problem, as everybody knows. Suggesting 20 edit is easier to collect +40 rep according to make some effort and ask/answer quality posts. –  FallenAngel Feb 13 at 15:59
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In fact, I am volunteer to give back my rep came from suggested edits in change of changing or limiting suggested edit reputation rules. Because users see it as 1000 free rep source. Reputation for suggested edit limit can be limited to 25 edits (after 25, no more rep), or can be dropped to (+2 rep/3 accepted-suggestion-in-a-row). Second will force them to make careful suggestions if they want to get rep. I know these options do not look good and couraging new users. But +2 rep causes enough problems too. –  FallenAngel Feb 13 at 16:08
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Tag-only edits can be some of the best edits, as putting on the correct tag often leads to a question getting an answer. So they could not be banned. Maybe they should have to be review by someone that is active in the tag that had been added. Or only allow a tag to be added if the tag has more than “n” questions. –  Ian Ringrose Feb 18 at 8:47
    
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Bad edits aren't limited to suggested edits. We tend not to notice the bad non-suggested edits because they don't get a minimum of two reviewers involved (three on SO).

One thing that we're very bad at is teaching what is a good edit and what is a bad edit. I've reviewed a lot of suggested edits in my time. I'm not in people's mind, of course, but I believe that in a majority of cases, the editors thought they were doing a good thing. Not all the time — I've also seen clear badge hunters — but often the editors gave me the impression that they were attempting to improve the site.

Even when I'd managed to reject a suggested edit in time and left some specific feedback such as “Please do not use code markup for proper names, only for code” or “Wikipedia content must be attributed and does not make an appropriate tag wiki in 99% of the cases”, it seemed a bit pointless. The editor is, practically speaking, never going to see that feedback.

An absolutely necessary change to improve the quality of edits is to notify editors of the reasons for rejected edits.

A lot of these people would be willing to learn, but we aren't seriously trying to teach them!

When bad editors become reviewers, they'll keep applying what they're used to, so the system tends to perpetuate itself. Merely teaching editors would start a virtuous circle which I would expect to drastically improve reviews as well, after a delay.

An argument in favor of this virtuous circle theory is that I've observed far more bad suggested edits on Stack Overflow than on other sites (tag wikis excluded).

If this isn't enough — but let's first do it and see the results after 6­–8 weeks — then we should teach reviewers as well — and editors with the editing privilege, for that matter. This could take the form of improved audits for suggested edits. Right now, we throw garbage as people and make sure they're rejecting it as such, which catches robo-reviewers, but not incompetent but well-meaning reviewers. We should have audits that reflect the actual typical kinds of good and bad edits that the sites see. (I'm sure this has been raised before on MSO.)

Discussions on MSO show that many people who review edits have never read the editing guidelines, or didn't really pay attention to them. Since suggested edit review doesn't lack manpower, we could make becoming a reviewer more difficult, requiring passing several audits (drawn from real-life cases) before getting access to real posts. This could be done on Stack Overflow as a stopgap measure while attempting to shift the balance after starting to educate suggesting editors, in order to ensure that the feedback that editors get is correct.

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As anecdotal evidence for this, in the cases where it was bad enough that I stepped in and mod-messaged a user about their edits, they almost always stopped whatever they were doing and focused on more substantial improvements. Similarly, I've been campaigning for a system to better notify users of why we're rejecting their flags, so that they can learn from what they're doing wrong. –  Brad Larson Feb 13 at 15:25
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What about -8 rep every time a users edit gets rejected along with the message. Maybe limit the lost rep to the rep the user has got from edits in the preceding 7 days. –  Ian Ringrose Feb 18 at 8:56
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This has been my pet peeve for quite some time and I'm absolutely bustin' to do something about it.

From my totally unscientific casual observation the majority of the bad edit suggestions that I have checked into are made by people with under 1000 rep, and the approvals are usually done by users with under 5K rep, mostly in the 2K-4K range.

This annoys me a lot, because the approvers should know better. It's not the fault of the people making the suggestions - bad suggestions from well meaning people and worthless suggestions from people trying to work the system is an expected behaviour that the process should accommodate.

Taking into account my observations mentioned above, it's obvious to me that the reviewers need to be reviewed or audited. My suggestions on how to effect this are:

  • establish a new Review Audit queue. This queue is accessible only by trusted users or those who have already accumulated considerable editing experience, i.e. the Copy Editor badge1.
  • the current edit suggestion mechanism remains the same. We know there will be bad suggestions, we're cool with that.
  • any suggested edits that are approved soley by reviewers with <5K rep, or are approved by a margin of 3-2 are then sent to the Review Audit queue. Anything that appears in this queue has the original reviewers anonymised out - it doesn't matter to the auditor who the original reviewers are
  • items that appear in this queue have an Approve button, an Undo button, and an Improve button, just like the existing suggested edit review queue

    • the Undo button rolls back the edit approval, reverses any rep or incentive that was allocated, and optionally penalises a rep point or two from the original reviewers. As the original reviewers have been anonymised from the review there should be little or no chance for malicious reversal. If a small penalty is applied to the original reviewers it will hopefully make them think a little more carefully, as most users in that lower rep range still cherish every rep point they have. When a reviewer has been revoked a specific number of times (or reached a certain revoke/approve percentage) then their review capability can be automatically suspended for a period of time.

    • the Improve button does what the existing improve button does, except it also removes any incentive the original reviewers got (i.e. reduces their review aggregate towards certain badges) but doesn't penalise them in any other way. Along with the already existing "This suggestion was helpful" checkbox good edits that were insufficiently thorough can be improved.

So this is a rough suggestion of a workflow that could have a positive impact on the problem and shouldn't take too much to implement. Amounts and numbers are suggestions and open for debate. The entire workflow is open for debate. Please discuss - this problem isn't going away anytime soon.

1 Note that I didn't nominate the Steward badge, as getting this doesn't necessarily involve gaining much editing experience

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I like your ideas. However, I think there could be a way to solve this without creating another queue. By drastically toughening up the Audits in the queue. But if for some reason they don't do that, then I definitely vote for your route. –  Stilly.stack Feb 13 at 2:50
    
@LowerClassOverflowian The issue with making the existing audit posts tougher is that we already get a steady stream of complaints through Meta about them, and because the audits are generated it would be hard to make them tougher to pass without also increasing the number of false negatives that currently happen (the number of people who fail a questionable generated audit). I think the current audits have had a bit of effect, but not a lot - personally I've never had a problem spotting them. –  slugster Feb 13 at 3:16
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My totally unscientific casual observation (based on reviewing a lot of suggested edits, but I didn't keep stats) doesn't show a correlation between bad edits and low reputation, nor between bad reviews and low reputation. –  Gilles Feb 13 at 5:02
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This could be done in a single queue, by only showing some review tasks to “very trusted users” and requiring that each review task if approved by at least 1 such user. –  Ian Ringrose Feb 18 at 8:51
    
"Undo" may not be as simple as all that: if the post has been edited again between the approval and its revocation, a rollback is likely to require by-hand editing. –  Josh Caswell Feb 23 at 5:31
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I think a rate limit may be reasonable...

Its been suggested before, but limiting edits to X reviews per hour would help a lot.

Perhaps we could discourage spree editing even more by limiting low rep users to 1 edit every 3-5 minutes, it would encourage new users to edit more organically, and allow reviewers to easily keep up with problem editors.

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On the other hand, cleanup efforts would really suck if editors had to wait several minutes between each edit. I don't see the point of limiting the number of reviews per hour. Enforcing a delay of a few seconds, maybe, but it would very rapidly become annoying to experienced editors. –  Gilles Feb 13 at 5:04
    
Yeah - further rate limiting on editing will be more damaging overall. –  Flyk Feb 13 at 8:38
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@Gilles I'm not really talking about limiting experienced editors, when I say low rep users I'm talking about users under 2k and those that are still earning rep for edits. Its probably better if editors learn the ropes before participating in large scale clean ups. –  apaul34208 Feb 13 at 15:19
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A key point with this answer is that some users can manage to go and suggest 20, 50, or more edits before most of them can get reviewed. Even if they get edit-banned after the first 15 edits the rest of those are still in the system. Adding rate limiting like this means that editors that try to go around fixing all instances of some "problem" that isn't a problem get stopped before they can actually clog up the review system too much. –  Servy Feb 14 at 17:58
    
If I am sorting out tagging, I will often open lots of questions in different tabs before deciding how to retag them. So to the system it looks like I have spent little time on the edits. –  Ian Ringrose Feb 18 at 8:58
    
@IanRingrose This suggestion would only apply to new users with limited editing experience. Seeing as how they are relatively new to editing its probably better if they work on them one at a time... –  apaul34208 Feb 18 at 21:52
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<2k users submit edit suggestions, and get +2 for every approved edit, up to 1000 rep. This enforces to new users that improving the site is encouraged.

It also is ripe for abuse.citation not needed As noted by OP, an edit (and 2 points) can be made in 20 seconds, for a rate of 360 rep per hour, or the 1000 limit in a mere 2 hours 47 minutes of work.

Stop and think about that for a minute.

3 hours for 1000 rep. I've worked my way up the ranks quite quickly this year, but 1000 in 3 hours is insane.

Reputation is a rough measurement of how much the community trusts you

Think about how much you trust a 1000 rep user. Now think about if that were earned in 3 hours. Without a single question or answer.

To me, the solution is clear:

Limit edit rep gain to +20 per day

That's 10 edits. Meaning it now takes 50 days to get that 1000 rep. That's about as long as I've been a member, despite my 8,216 current SO rep.

It is almost always better to remove the incentive for abuse than to try and impose artificial restrictions that penalize valuable contributions.

Don't limit the rate of edits

We don't limit answers just because you've hit your rep cap. The +2 token rep reinforces that improving the site should be encouraged. Becoming an "established user" who's "been around for a while" through a few hours of edits shouldn't be.

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I agree with the idea that a rollback of your edit should result in loss of any reputation gain from that edit, and in addition an automatic notification should be sent.

In addition, I propose limiting an individual to getting 2 points of reputation per edited post. As it is, someone can suggest numerous trivial edits to a post, instead of making all the edits at once.

Here is an example where I rolled back two edits, one invalid and one trivial (the rollback was due to the invalid edit; the trivial edit was subsequent), and the same user subsequently proposed three more edits to the post (all accepted, of course): http://stackoverflow.com/posts/21813938/revisions

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I think earning rep is fine for the first 500 edits or till they hit 2000 reputation total. It gives new users a chance to earn decent reputation if they are still new to programming. It enables them to offer a decent bounty for one of their questions that they really need help with. The problem with bad suggested edits is a problem because of bad reviewers, those people with over 2000 rep.

I've seen people changing only minor edits every time before, and I would reject all their edits for being "too minor". I haven't seen those people in the queue again because they likely got banned from suggesting edits. There is no reason to ban reputation gained through edits for new users/low rep users just because of some bad apples.

As an example... lets say that we just ban questions from people with under 50 rep, because people with under 50 rep are more likely to get their questions closed and downvoted! You see.. it's not fair to ban questions from new users just because of all the bad question askers.

I would be in favor of an automated system that does NOT reward any reputation for suggested edits that only add 1 or 2 tags... since most posts have something else that can be changed, and only adding 1 tag, it's likely the person is just doing it for reputation and doesn't really care about helping the quality of the site.

The possible 1000 rep gain for suggested edits needs to be rate-limited (say, 200 per month) (this is my favourite!)

This is like my least favourite! I've only been a SO member for like 3 months now, and I hit my 500 edits in about 3 weeks. People on this site know how to use computers and know how to type quickly, and multi-task quickly. I've noticed that one of the reasons Stack Overflow is so popular is because they understand this! I see examples of this implementation all throughout the site.

The possible 1000 rep gain for suggested edits needs to be lowered, say to 500 or 250

I would have no problem with it being lowered to 500. But 250 is too low.

There should be a system to vote on edits (yes, that's been suggested before)

We already have that, it's called the suggested edit's review queue :) , and then we already have roll-backs, so the person's whose post was edited gets notified each time an edit was made to their post. They are the person who has the final say really.. If it's not a good edit, they will roll it back. If say that member is no longer active.. well, whoever views the question can roll it back or do another edit. If the question is very unpopular view wise... well, nothing we can really do about it.

We need super clear rules on what makes a good tag edit

Yes, for sure, this would help educate reviewers.


EDIT :

I was reading some of slugster's answer, and that reminded me of something else.

Yes, the suggested edit review queue AUDITS need to be IMPROVED GREATLY.

I have NEVER seen a suggested review audit that the correct answer was to "ACCEPT" the edit. It is always to "REJECT" the edit.

Also, I think the easiest audits to pass are in this queue too. I guess the text is like randomly generated from other posts that were deleted/rejected or something... There needs to be more time spent on creating good AUDITS that are hard to pass in the queue.

For example, some audits could change only the spacing of the code , that wasn't bad to begin with... but if someone approves that edit, FAIL THEM..


EDIT 00000002 :

I think the best way is to send a notification to the users inbox each time a suggested edit gets rejected. And then if they click on that it should bring them to the part in their profile showing that it was rejected and why it was. The reason people don't know that they aren't editing correctly is because they don't know how to check it normally until they already have like over 300 edits or so. I think it's important enough to send these messages each time, just like you get notified everytime someone edits one of your posts.

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You're partly right, but I don't think the reviewers are the only ones to blame here. It's the editor making the bad edit in the first place. Plus as a reviewer, you see and judge only one edit at a time. What would be a clear judgement if you saw the dozens of bad edits, can become a borderline decision when you see only one. –  Pëkka Feb 13 at 0:03
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It gives new users a chance to earn decent reputation if they are still new to programming the question is whether that is actually a desirable thing (beyond earning the points necessary to comment and such). Wasn't reputation once supposed to be a rough measure of trust and expertise? I have a new user account in the iOS tag, where I'm a newbie (I had to create the account because my old activity overwhelms my front page.) I don't feel I should get to earn 1000 rep just by randomly adding pointless tags to questions. –  Pëkka Feb 13 at 0:06
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@Pëkka I agree with you about just adding a tag or two, see my edit in the post. But it's up to reviewers for now to stop it and click "reject" "too minor" or "invalid edit". Also Animuson has a good idea, of allowing manual bans or something... not sure how that works since I'm not a mod, but it sounds like a good idea. Like if in real time I or another reviewer could go to chat, get a mod, and the mod stops that bad suggested editor in real time! –  Stilly.stack Feb 13 at 0:09
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we've been complaining about bad reviews for half a year now and nothing has happened. That doesn't mean you don't have a point, but I've given up hope that the situation will improve on that front –  Pëkka Feb 13 at 0:09
    
@Pëkka I second your remarks about the pointless tags. I encountered 10+ edit suggestions all at once this morning where the user simply added the JavaScript tag to several questions tagged with jQuery. I rejected most all of them, but they all seemed to pass via other votes. Slightly confused. Seems a little minor. –  War10ck Feb 13 at 0:20
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@Pëkka Here's a user stackoverflow.com/users/1774011/chriga?tab=reputation that I've just had to reject like 8 or so edits from. Anyone know how many rejected suggested edits someone needs to get before they are suggested edit ban? Or thats probably not disclosed. –  Stilly.stack Feb 13 at 1:17
    
@Lower ugh... yeah, that's the kind of edits I'm talking about. I don't know what the threshold is, either - I guess it is a secret –  Pëkka Feb 13 at 4:17
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@Pëkka a lot of my reputation outside of my main site is from editing. I'm compelled to take my experience as a high-reputation user on my main site and help other sites in the network with their clean up because of the gamification - if you take that away, it would be something I ceased to do. I know that I'm the rarer example of a "new user" (in the context of the additional sites I'm on) making substantial edits. In my opinion, any attempt to fix this problem for SO should consist of edit banning thresholds rather than changes to the system in any other regards. –  Flyk Feb 13 at 8:42
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I can't imagine any user gets edit banned for minor/tag edits. That user has submitted 80 (presumably all) tag edits in the past 2 days, and odds are they'll do the same today and tomorrow with only a tiny percentage actually rejected (currently 1 in 20). –  OGHaza Feb 13 at 10:46
    
@Flyk that's an interesting perspective, thanks –  Pëkka Feb 13 at 15:25
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A few thoughts…

Clearly the editor should be told when their edit is rejected or approved. If an edit is approved by less than 100% of the reviewers then the editor should be told way some people did not approve it even when the edit was approved. This will all lead to leaning.

Removing -8 rep from a editor that gets there edit rejected may speed up the learning, maybe limit the rep removal to the rep gained by user from edits over the preceding few days.

On Stackoverflow the edit review queue is normally empty. We have people power to play with….

I expect that slow reviewer do a better job, but yet the current system stops them reviewing more than 1 edit, as the edit queue is empty again by the time they have reviewed the first item.

We don’t have to allow all reviewers to review all task, so for example we could require each edit to be reviewed by at least 1 person that has a history of rejecting a lot of edits, or at least 1 high rep user etc. (Or just leave the item in the queue until at least one known “good” reviewer has approved it.)

Edits that get a reject vote should need a lot more approve votes to get approved or approved votes from more trusted users.

Maybe an edit should be in the queue for at least 5 minutes regardless of the number of votes it has already got.

When reviewing edits if there are multiply edits from the same user in the queue, they should be shown to the same reviewer. The reviewer should have a way to reject edit they have just approved if they see a pattern of bad edits…

Maybe if a user has done lots of edits in the last hour, there edits should remain in the queue for longer, so they are more likely to be reviewed by the same person.

Maybe new reviewers should have any “approve” votes they cast ignored until the system can see that they are rejecting edits that get rejected by trusted reviewers.

Any reviewer that approves more than the expected number of edits that get rejected should be shown these edits and the reason why other approvers rejected them, so they can learn.

Any reviewers that approve a lot of edits that get rejected should be flag for the mods to investigate them.

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One possible means to improving the quality of reviews is to add the reputations of the reviewers and require over (say) 20000 reputation points before a decision is made. This idea is based on a comment elsewhere in this Q&A suggesting that some low reputation are approving too many poor edits.

I am new at reviewing suggested edits and already I have seen several edits approved that I thought were wrong. One problem I see is that a few people quickly approve the edit before I can finish typing a comment. Sometimes others reject for a similar reason to mine, but jointly we were too slow. So slowing down the review process for an specific edit review seems useful.

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Perhaps even combined reputation in just the tags on the question. –  Matthew Lundberg Feb 16 at 22:43
    
@MatthewLundberg - no there are some tags with too few people to do that, also I can edit correctly many entries where I don't have the rep - if it is code(non formatting) related then I skip. –  Mark Feb 21 at 16:02
    
@Mark Clearly forcing the combined reputation in the tags to exceed a fixed value is inappropriate. It would also be inappropriate for the combined reputation regardless of tags (consider new sites where there is very little total reputation). But perhaps a scale giving the needed reputation based on the total reputation given in the tags. Most edits that anyone can verify are trivial edits, which should be actively discouraged. –  Matthew Lundberg Feb 21 at 21:35
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Reps gained from edits, should not count toward being allowed to review edits.

So if someone gets lots of rep from miner edits, at least they can’t then go on and approve other peoples miner edits.

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Rollback Penalty

Rollbacks of suggested edits should result in annulment of the 2 points gained

Not sure of the reasons for rollbacks, but if because of bad edits, then why not remove their "undeserved" rep?
Or, more?

It's great, and nice - hugs etc, when users help out. But they need to be stopped when they're not helping out and are causing other user time to be wasted which could have been spent actually helping out.

For the rollbacks, something like:

2 rollbacks in a week;
AND/OR
4 rollbacks in a month;

= -5 rep

8 rollbacks = 1 month edit ban
3 bans = edit ban for life

(Note: I don't know how frequent rollbacks are, so perhaps totals of 2 and 4 might be inappropriate).

And similar system for rejections (suggested further below)


Changing Rep Gain

1000 rep gain for suggested edits rate-limited (say, 200 per month)
1000 rep gain for suggested edits lowered, say to 500 or 250

Tighter limits doesn't solve the problem of poor edits, it only reduces the frequency and ultimately total bad edits per user.

So while these suggestions are arguably an improvement, they're not the resolve, and they're also potentially detrimental as users carrying out valuable edits (who are also in it for the money) are also limited to the monthly frequency and over total of good edits they will do.

It smells to me rather like a typical (government-like) blanket policy which "partly resolves the issue while punishing others who don't deserve it, and also introduces another issue".


Penalties for Rejected Edits

Blanket policy isn't ideal, and getting reviewers to do more work is unfair and likely result in less reviews.

The solution is simply harsher punishment for users who repeatedly suggest poor edits.
Whether they're just after rep, or were genuinely trying to help, they need to be informed, and the problem stopped.

The key to stopping it is "per bad user", and I know edit bans are in place, but they need to be tighter, with rep loss!

I know some will argue against rep loss, but bad reviewers often do it for the rep, so hit them where it hurts!

So, review queue for edits. People either vote:

  1. Allow
  2. Reject
  3. Terrible (new possible option)

So reviewers vote from the above then punishment can be dealt with as follows:

Penalty System

Each criteria, that is 1 OR 2, gives you 1 month edit bad and -5 rep.

Users with Terrible:

  1. 3 Terrible in a week
  2. 6 Terrible in a month

Users with Reject:

  1. 4 Reject in a week
  2. 8 Reject in a month

Users with Terrible and Reject:

  1. 2 of each in a week (4 total, any mixture)
  2. 3 of each in a month (6 total, any mixture)

(Sure Stack/others could poke some holes in the above numbers, but you get the idea)

For all above:
Users with 3 bans in any 6 months period, OR total of 5 bans any period, are banned from editing for life.

I think after 2 bans they should have read/asked what they're doing wrong!
And if not, then they're harming the site and wasting other users time and not likely to resolve it.

Remember, we're dealing with people who just don't care. Laugh at bans, and will edit badly and quickly just for some quick rep points/hope to remove their question asking ban!

Terrible and Reject are both "no", so reviewers who vote mixture of both still decline a suggested edit, however it introduces a fair voting towards potential ban.

For a user to get a "terrible" mark on their total towards a ban, has to have 3 terrible in one review.

To get a rejected added to their total rejected, they just need a "no" (mixture of rejected and terrible).


They Should Defo Be Notified

For rollbacks and rejected edits [current system], they need to know what they're doing is not helping, so a message in notifications:

Your edit was reversed/rejected as it was cack. Please read (link) help section page of how to do a good edit and avoid rep loss

This gives genuine editors a chance to review why and redeem themselves (we've all had some rejected..).

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I don't think there should be a penalty above the rollback of the rep for a rollback of an edit. –  Matthew Lundberg Feb 23 at 3:48
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2 strikes are required in a week, isn't that fair based on the time wasted to fix it? You only lose 1 rep point for 2 roll backs, as you gained 4 from the edits. I don't think that's harsh for two strikes and a waste of other users time. –  James Feb 23 at 3:57
    
I don't agree that the suggester should lose reputation for bad suggestions. Reviewers who accept bad edits are another story. See slugster's answer. –  Matthew Lundberg Feb 23 at 4:26
    
But the suggester did not help the site, they did harm in way of a bad edit and users time wasted reviewing it. Why let them have their rep points? And beyond that, why not deter them by penalising them where it hurts - their precious rep? We need penalties to those who cause problems, to deter them and/or make them improve their ways. If reviewers are accepting bad edits which are later rolledback, then penalise the reviewers too. I did not mention this as I don't know enough about rollbacks or edit reviewing to delve into it. –  James Feb 23 at 18:26
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