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Apparently MSE questions are able to appear in the hot list, which the old MSO didn't managed to. Shouldn't MSE behave the same way as the old MSO in this aspect?

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This question is now #44 in the hotlist. How ironic. –  michaelb958 Apr 17 at 4:31
    
@michaelb958 I don't see the irony. I was only asking because it was strange that MSO didn't appeared, yet MSE does. I'm not taking sides. –  Braiam Apr 17 at 4:58

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Well, at this moment, yeah we kinda do.

The plan was to have a system that let us push select, network-relevant discussions on MSE out to the entire network via the Community Bulletin Board. But, this isn't done yet. In the meantime, the hot list is a serendipitous way to keep the greater Stack Exchange community informed of what we're talking about here.

We originally thought having meta questions in the hot list would be a useful fill-in while waiting for this feature to be completed, but after further consideration have decided against it - so no meta questions will appear in the hot list.

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Even if the hot questions list does have one or two MSE posts, why is that bad? More people will regularly see what's going on here beyond just the announcements that are pushed. If anything, more people may pitch into discussions, which, considering that this site's discussions are relevant to multiple sites, seems to be a positive. –  AsheeshR Apr 17 at 4:40
    
The nature of meta sites makes them significantly "hotter" than most normal sites: we're hosting discussions, after all. We could make it work, but a solution tailored to the need would be preferable. –  Shog9 Apr 17 at 4:42
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Ach, don't tell me it's temporary! –  ben is uǝq backwards Apr 17 at 9:42
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@Shog9: so, just use a different metric for meta? seems reasonable. Related: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/11602/… and meta.stackexchange.com/questions/218247/… –  naught101 Apr 17 at 11:20
    
nature of meta sites makes them significantly "hotter" -- interesting how you use this to justify their total exclusion from hot list, but in the same time ignore similarities in the nature of smaller / subjective-ish sites which are additionally exacerbated by weaker community moderation power there. Oh well –  gnat Apr 24 at 13:55
    
What makes you think I ignore this, @gnat? Open-ended discussions are on-topic for meta sites, so by their nature they require special treatment - but of course, such topics can crop up elsewhere, even if they're not encouraged, and I'm committed to making sure y'all have the tools available to redirect them as necessary. –  Shog9 Apr 24 at 15:21
    
your comment shows exactly what makes me think so. "Open-ended discussions" aren't the issue at sites I talk about (Programmers and Workplace), these are off-topic there, closed and dropped from the list - we already have good tools to handle these thank you. Legitimate, on-topic, answerable questions can be "hotter" there (compared to SO), due to simple differences in topicality / voting patterns / moderation power. Really sad that you can't see this –  gnat Apr 24 at 15:31
    
You appear to be misunderstanding what I meant by "the nature of meta sites" then, @gnat. –  Shog9 Apr 24 at 15:33
    
no matter how you twist it, from the perspective of a hotness formula that mysterious "nature of meta sites" can be described as "average more answers and higher score of the questions". Same can be said of typical (topical, answerable, not closeable) questions at smaller / subjective-ish sites –  gnat Apr 24 at 15:37
    
As much as you've tried to bury it, "subjective-ish" is the key description there, @gnat. I'm hardly unaware of how problematic such questions are - but pretending that a question anyone can answer is all fine and dandy as long as most people don't find it is just silly. –  Shog9 Apr 24 at 15:50
    
anyone (of 16 million programmers) can answer SO questions as well, it's only their coding-oriented nature makes it easier to detect low quality / repetitive garbage and site scale makes it easier to get rid of it. Real questions have (authoritative) answers everywhere at SE network (maybe except for Code Golf, but their specifics makes it less of an issue, or maybe even not an issue at all) –  gnat Apr 24 at 16:05
    
As usual, that quote is truncated @gnat. "real questions have answers, not items or ideas or opinions." –  Shog9 Apr 24 at 17:11
    
@Shog9 it's truncated only because of comment length limitation, adding "not items or ideas or opinions" keeps what I meant intact. "Answers" that are just items, ideas, opinions are frowned upon at both Programmers and Workplace, and are eventually cleaned up - the only difference is it takes longer and is more painful compared to SO –  gnat Apr 24 at 17:15
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@gnat if you have a general gripe about the hot questions algorithm, start a new thread proposing a change (assuming you have an argument that hasn't been discussed here already). you guys are getting way too chatty here, and wandering away from the point of this post. –  Laura Apr 24 at 19:03
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Admit it, this whole answer is just an excuse to use the word serendipitous. ;-) –  Shadow Wizard Apr 24 at 22:17

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