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Thank you for making the listing option free for students, but the penalty sucks. There's a big blue student on the top right of my CV.

Had I known that was the penalty, I wouldn't have signed up as a student at all. I don't see a way to "revoke" my subscription and remove the banner; I'm not exactly thrilled about that.

Also, you're likely going to have non-students choosing that option to get a free listing for a year. If the penalty is a big, ugly banner for free listing anyhow, why not make a "cheap-ass" option to get free listing for a year, and allow the cheap-ass population to at least be honest with you? Then put a huge ugly banner on their resume that says "cheap-ass".

I am a student, but I'd rather have a big "cheap-ass" banner on my resume than deal with the stigma of being "just a student".

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Someone call the whambulance... –  OMG Ponies Nov 3 '09 at 19:12
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People don't understand the value of a good career marketplace. Pay $99 for it, and if it nets you a job in 12 months, then your first day of work will likely recover the cost of the subscription. It's certainly a no-brainer at the beta rate of $30/3 years. And yet people not only lie to get a valuable listing for free, they then have the gall to complain about the free product that they lied in order to get in the first place. –  Adam Davis Nov 3 '09 at 19:21
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If your looking for "cheap-ass", I am afraid this is going to be closed as "Not StackOverflow Related" –  Troggy Nov 3 '09 at 19:34
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xkcd.com/37 –  Adam Davis Nov 3 '09 at 19:46
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He didn't say he wasn't a student, nor is there any indication that he lied. He's just saying that he doesn't like the banner, which doesn't seem unreasonable, especially since the implication is that he would have paid full price had he known about the banner's existence. –  beska Nov 3 '09 at 19:49
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He's implying it –  jmfsg Nov 3 '09 at 19:54
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@Juan: How is he implying he isn't a student? His last paragraph starts very clearly with "I am a student". –  beska Nov 3 '09 at 20:10
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It doesn't matter though. His complaint isn't affected by whether he's a student or not. His complaint is that they force him to include a big blue "STUDENT" badge very visible above his CV, they didn't disclose this prior to checking the student-free version, and there's no easy/obvious way to undo it. It's a valid complaint. –  Adam Davis Nov 3 '09 at 20:12
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Instead of complaining, why don't one of you clever 2000+ rep editors re-phrase the question instead if jumping on your own "whambulances"? Also read the last part of the post: "I am a student, but I'd rather have a big "cheap-ass" banner on my resume than deal with the stigma of being "just a student"." Doesn't say he's trying to free-load. –  The Anti-Santa Nov 3 '09 at 20:12
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But it's silly to complain about a free meal. You eat it, or you don't. Whining that you didn't realize the dinner plate was going to be bright blue, thus signifying to everyone else in the dining room that you opted for the free meal is counterproductive. I certainly don't see the reasoning behind changing the color of the plate to yellow-cheap from blue-student, as if that is better. Chances are good he doesn't want to be confused with a 20-something whippersnapper with no real life experience, but still wants to get the benefits the 20-something whippersnappers get. –  Adam Davis Nov 3 '09 at 20:14
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But it's not just a free meal. If you go into a restaurant, and the guy says "hey, you're cool, want your meal free", would you say no? Nah, you'd say "sure, that sounds great". Then the waiter yells "OKAY, THIS CHEAP GUY WANTS A FREE MEAL!" as he goes to get it for you. That's all well and good, if you know that's what's going to happen, but you'd like to know beforehand so you can say, "nah, I think I'll just pay for my meal." –  beska Nov 3 '09 at 20:19
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(Basically, I'm just agreeing with your prior comment...as long as he can change to a paid account and be rid of the banner, there's just no issue. I imagine that many people would willing to take advantage of that...win-win.) –  beska Nov 3 '09 at 20:23
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Keep in mind that the service's stated purpose is to hook REALLY REALLY REALLY good programmers up with REALLY REALLY REALLY good jobs. If you are in a job where you can't afford a $99/yr job service, then one *might_ argue that you aren't a "really really really" good programmer... There is a correlation between ability and pay, where "good" is not defined solely as programming skill, but overall candidate quality. –  Adam Davis Nov 3 '09 at 21:21
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@Adam "If you are in a job where you can't afford a $99/yr job service, then one might argue that you aren't a "really really really" good programmer.." - oh dude...that's such a bad argument.... in the current economic climate there are lots of REALLY REALLY REALLY good programmers out there and very few REALLY REALLY REALLY good jobs. Over here where I am, the contract market has dried up, the banks have gone bust and there ain't a lot going on. In 2002 I was made redundant just when the last of the .COM outfits crumbled in Edinburgh. The jobs market was awash with great people. –  The Anti-Santa Nov 3 '09 at 21:35
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That's undoubtedly true - which is why I hedged my point with "might." –  Adam Davis Nov 3 '09 at 21:46

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You want to participate in Careers, but you don't want to pay for it. I don't think that's going to fly for a number of reasons, primarily due to the cost increasing the quality of the pool of candidates by only including those who are actively searching.

The student option recognizes the fact that many students don't have the money to pay for such a service, and gives them a free year.

Beyond that, though, you should recognize that $99 will be recovered in your first day of your new job, so it's certainly worth the cost.

A "cheap" option merely serves to dilute the pool of candidates with those that really aren't interested in changing their job proactively. Keep in mind that the existing free CV options still allows the public CV viewing, it just doesn't open you up to employer searches.

Contact the careers administrators - they've converted student accounts into paid accounts before, and will likely do so again.

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+1 for the research... That even makes it better! –  RSolberg Nov 3 '09 at 19:24
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@Adam: I think you're close...I think he's saying that he is a student, but doesn't want to be so obviously labeled as such...to the point where, despite the discount he could legally get for being a student, he would have refused it and paid full price to avoid the banner. I didn't get the impression he wanted to lie about his status, but didn't want it to be the first thing that people would see, either. I think he's (justifiably) worried that recruiters, after they get used to the site, will use the big "student" banner as a "skip" option, and never get any further into the cv. –  beska Nov 3 '09 at 19:47
    
Sorry Adam, downvoted on this one for conclusion jumping...see Beska's comment above and "I am a student, but I'd rather have a big "cheap-ass" banner on my resume than deal with the stigma of being "just a student". –  The Anti-Santa Nov 3 '09 at 20:07
    
No need to apologize, and I appreciate the comment. I suppose I can edit my post down further... –  Adam Davis Nov 3 '09 at 20:17

I agree there should be a way to "un-student" yourself if you're willing to pay and perhaps a better explanation upfront about what saying you're a student will do. However, to your larger point, I believe the "I'm cheap" option would undermine the paid option in a way to student option will not, since you can only get one free year by saying you're a student. There has to be value added for paying for the service or no one will do it.

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The real value in a paid service is that it gets rid of a significant number of people who really aren't searching for a job actively, or who aren't serious about changing jobs. If it's not worth the fee to you, then get out of the pool and leave it open for those that are serious about it. It benefits both the candidate and employer. –  Adam Davis Nov 3 '09 at 19:24
    
Easy +1 for the first sentence. That sounds like it would solve the entire issue. –  beska Nov 3 '09 at 19:50
    
(and I think the "cheap-ass" option he's suggesting is tongue-in-cheek, though I could be wrong.) –  beska Nov 3 '09 at 19:51

why not make a "cheap-ass" option to get free listing for a year

Since when is free not cheap? If you are a student, what is the issue with it saying as such. You ARE a student, so what is the issue?

And what stigma is there for being a student? To some degree, employers today like students because they can hire them cheaper than others. So I would actually consider it to be an advantage.

Now if you are a graduate student, yet working full time, maybe the banner could say:

Graduate Student - Working Full Time, but still too cheap to buy a 3 year subscription

There should be a way at some point to move away from a student account into a paid account. Considering this is all rather new, I'm guessing that will be introduced someday if it is not already there.

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Honestly, if I were an employer and I found out that you were masquerading behind the "Student" option to save money when you're not a student, the first thing I would do is not hire you. Honesty is big.

If you're a student, great, there's nothing wrong with that. In fact, a lot of people see that as a plus especially if you are going to graduate school. Sure some employers are going to actively not look at student resumes, but really, do you want to work for them anyway? I would guess probably not. I would think the "cheap" option on your resume would be a much bigger stigma than student. To me, student says, "I want to learn and I am spending my time and money to do so." Cheap says: "I spend too much money on cheetos to afford this."

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You mentioned "masquerading behind the Student option" and you also said that "Honesty is big." So, although you don't want to hire someone who is a "cheap-a##", you should be able to respect what the original post-writer said about "allow[ing] the cheap-ass population to at least be honest with you". In other words, what the original post advocates would also help YOU with what YOU advocate, which is avoiding duplicitous folk AND avoiding cheap folk. –  que que Nov 3 '09 at 23:26
    
So what you are saying is that the site should lose revenue, because people don't want to pay minuscule amount of money. Isn't that what dice and monster are for? What I'm saying is that under no circumstances would I hire someone how tries to be dishonest, because they can't float the 100 dollars a year to get a 50-100k job. Seriously, that works out to what 8 bucks a month? I spend more than that on coffee. The cheap population wants to be honest, here's a thought don't post on careers. That's being cheap and honest, but that's not what people want is it. –  Kevin Nov 4 '09 at 0:30
    
Who out there cannot get 100 dollars ready to make an investment in their career? –  GEOCHET Nov 4 '09 at 1:03

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