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Stack Overflow does make it easy for new users, but not so much. I'm new here and, as such, I spent some time reading before doing anything. And then I go out to try it.

After spending some time on Super User, I went to Meta, as recommended, to ask a question about the interface (I didn't know about doctype yet). I've elaborated on the whole question, putting links and all, only to get marked as a "spammer" by an unjustified prevention mechanism.

I say unjustified because I had already proven, by its own concept, on the other associated site, that I'm not a spammer by earning the freaking reputation (bad naming, by the way - everyone wants to have "reputation" in real life, but this should not be the case here. I believe).

So, big frustration, after already having a bad first impression. It's the reason I did all this in the first place.

Maybe it's just me, and I'm sorry for bringing all this text here. Not that anyone will read this. But maybe this system could be improved for new users.

That's all. Or so it was until I got a new deception:

New users can only post questions every 20 minutes; try again later.

C'mon people! There must be better ways to fight bots and spammers! This interface is so innovative and yet this kind of thing seem so stupid!

This is how I currently feel about this whole Stack Overflow system.

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Well, you already "got around" that 20 minute per posting thing. superuser.com/questions/109885/… –  random Feb 17 '10 at 7:52
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@Cawas, would you like to suggest innovative and effective means of fighting bots and spammers? –  o.k.w Feb 17 '10 at 8:04
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well, thanks for the writeup on the first impressions. if you stick around, give us another critique in 6 months so we can see how much of this is valid critique and how much of this is new-user-not-used-to-how-site-works. –  quack quixote Feb 17 '10 at 8:29
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It must be very encouraging to have 5 questions and still be stuck at 1 rep... –  Ivo Flipse Feb 17 '10 at 9:14
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Simple rule. If you come to a place which is working and quite successful for more than a year, slamming the door and shouting complaints before even really knowing, it is not likely to get your message heard. Stay around for a while, show that you care by actually following how these sites work. Then you can complain, as long as it is structured and constructed. I mean, look at me, I spend most of my time complaining (more about people than about sites, ok), and I still get reputation from it. ;-) –  Gnoupi Feb 17 '10 at 9:22
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To put your After spending some time on Super User into perspective a bit: you're a member for 26 hours and already posted 5 questions on that site alone? (And another 4 on Meta within 15 hours.) That's a very first impression indeed. –  Arjan Feb 17 '10 at 9:49
    
Look, I think it's pretty clear I've enjoyed it at first, and then had some disarrangements with the interface. I just hope whoever is making it can at least think about how this has been to me. If they are, like I would, trying to make this as easy as possible for first users, I think this is good input from someone not so dummy still doing stupid things not only because I'm also not that smart, but because there are things on the site that can get better. –  Cawas Feb 17 '10 at 10:04
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@Cawas - Then work on the way you express the "things on the site that can get better". If you check this meta site, you will notice that it's mostly this. Daily propositions of improvements, by hundreds of people. And it works, and many propositions are taken into account by the people making the site. Like I said, be nice, follow the rules, and things should be fine. –  Gnoupi Feb 17 '10 at 10:26
    
@Gnoupi I see, so I should first earn their trust, then slam the door, shout and offer som tea! Note taken (not seriously tho). :) –  Cawas Feb 17 '10 at 23:42

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On a personal level, I appreciate that you did spent time reading before participating actively. However that conflicted the fact that you have problem asking questions in a well... 'nicer' manner.

Before I continue, please understand that I'm neutral and am trying to help more than anything. Here's my comments on some of your questions on Meta (in chrono order):

I think I just used 30 minutes of my time to compile this reply. Anyway in short, the guys here can be 'nasty' at times, if you were to step on their toes or put up screenshots with soulless circles :P. The thing is, however nice they (we) maybe, most of them (or us) do not really tolerate blantant attacks albeit trying to be constructive, which I believe you are. It's the manner of delivery which perhaps should be improved.

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+1. I'm sure the criticism is basically well-intentioned, but take it easy and take some time first. –  Pëkka Feb 17 '10 at 9:17
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I have always assumed I do have a lot to improve on my "amazing" communication skills. You could see that right on my description - I am confused. Sorry for all the trouble, and thanks for so much patience. –  Cawas Feb 17 '10 at 10:08

If you really want to help improving the site, take the time and build trust from community first, and go step by step with constructive manners.

Just saying "THIS IS BAD!, THIS IS BAD!" will be just ends in unexpected results.

And also there is policy and rules on every sites, learn by reading FAQ, old questions and find the concepts why they are doing like that too.

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Actually, just saying "THIS IS BAD!, THIS IS BAD!" will yield quite expected results me thinks ;-) –  fretje Feb 17 '10 at 9:22
    
@fretje, The expected results you mean is downvotes, right? :D –  YOU Feb 17 '10 at 9:33
    
Well, I got really frustrated by supposedly minor things on the system. I don't really care that much for the downvotes but doesn't this show the community also don't care that much about new users? People like to bash other people on their own frustration. I like better bashing on the systems. –  Cawas Feb 17 '10 at 9:57
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@Cawas, there are literaly thousands of new users week in week out, but we don't often see responses like yours. I'm not saying the all the rest are happy and/or quiet. The fact that we responded to your posts do mean that the community cares. Just don't expect a smile if you don't give it first. –  o.k.w Feb 17 '10 at 10:02
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Here I'd like to just put a smiley :-) –  Cawas Feb 17 '10 at 10:33
    
@Cawas, If I remember correctly, one of your answer had some not-so-good words like S..t or something, I guess, its got flagged and got deleted, those kind of things could cause some impression down. Please understand that Community need to make the site clean and nice. –  YOU Feb 17 '10 at 10:34
    
@S.Mark: It was an answer to my own question and just an exclamation expression. I was hoping it was not going to be a big issue. Anyways, one try out only, and there it will stay. –  Cawas Feb 17 '10 at 10:38
    
@o.k.w Was your web link on your profile supposed to work? 74er.net –  Cawas Feb 17 '10 at 11:09
    
@Cawas, yes but don't bother, nothing there :P –  o.k.w Feb 17 '10 at 11:52
    
@o.k.w too bad - I love links. :D –  Cawas Feb 17 '10 at 23:38

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