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How can I make my proposal on Area 51 successful?

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Hey! I never get upvotes when I post answers to my own questions! I detect a sense of favoritism going on here! :) –  uɐɯsO uɐɥʇɐN Jun 2 '10 at 1:36
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FAQ questions should be CW. ;) –  Jon Seigel Jun 2 '10 at 3:39
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@George: You're probably doing it wrong. Are you posting answers to your own questions while being Joel Spolsky? –  Pops Jun 2 '10 at 18:12
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So tempting to edit in an 'h' and remove an 'n' from 'winning' –  Joel Coehoorn Jun 3 '10 at 13:13

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Get the audience right.

A proposal on Area 51 deliberately includes only three things:

  • The subject matter, as concisely as possible
  • The audience
  • Some perfect on- and off-topic questions which exemplify the site.

A great site has an obvious audience.

Don't propose a site if you can't tell us who it's for.

Cooking site? Boring. There are a million. A site for top-ranking chefs? That's interesting.

Please don't give me another site like this:

Coffee Tables
A site for people who are interested in coffee tables.

How do we know that there are such people? Am I one of them? This is a weak proposal and won't succeed. How do I know it won't succeed? Because you haven't told us who will go there.

The audience field is called audience and not description for a reason.

Tell me about your site for pilots, your site for dermatologists, or your site for people who play in fantasy baseball leagues, and I'll understand that you've got a real audience in mind.

Tell me about your site for "people who are interested in surreal art" and I won't be so sure.

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Is it too soon to request a site about books about coffee tables? (Sorry, i just had to get that out). –  slugster Jun 2 '10 at 1:28
    
That wouldn't fit here: area51.stackexchange.com/proposals/1623/books-and-writing @slug, but would make a good off topic question –  jmfsg Jun 2 '10 at 1:52
    
@juan, it was actually a tongue-in-cheek reference to something that was an ongioing topic in the Seinfeld show. Only Kramer could make that topic work. –  slugster Jun 2 '10 at 2:32
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Thank you for not taking SU as example of great site. We appreciate that, really, goes right to our Super user hearts. –  Gnoupi Jun 2 '10 at 6:38
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Super User doesn't really have a well defined audience, and I think it is not as popular as it would have been if it had a well defined audience. Right now the audience is officially "computer enthusiasts" which is almost a circular definition. IMHO SuperUser would attract an audience more strongly if it had a bit of personality as to who goes there, for example, if it was a website for "pro IT/helpdesk/computer support" people. –  Joel Spolsky Jun 2 '10 at 14:10
    
@slugster, not a bad idea, but it's too broad. Now, a site for books about coffee tables which can themselves be used as small coffee tables.... –  Pops Jun 2 '10 at 18:12
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@Joel - true, it's not like if people were actually fighting for months to help the site have an actual scope and audience, when the initial official objective was only to have a place to dump off-topic questions from SO. But you are right, after all. Who cares, even. SU is a dumpster without an actual personality nor defined audience, everyone agrees with that, obviously. And I'm tired to try to make people see something else. If even you think that way, then whatever. Have fun with your great sites, dump your trash in SU, nobody cares anyway. –  Gnoupi Jun 3 '10 at 13:00
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@joel just to be clear, Super User gets about 20% MORE traffic than Server Fault. Verified in Google Analytics, go look yourself if you don't believe me. I'm not sure how that fits into your definitions of "attracting an audience more strongly", exactly.. –  Jeff Atwood Jun 3 '10 at 22:11
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@Jeff - Do more visits necessarily mean a bigger/better audience? I'm sure SU just has better Google juice in the type of questions asked but probably lacks the overall expertise and community that Server Fault has. That said, I bet neither would have made the cut on Area 51. Even with the experts on SF, niche sysadmin questions still go unanswered. –  dlux Jun 16 '10 at 15:52
    
This is a tricky issue in the current proposal process. A site for top-ranking chefs would be awesome, but how many top-ranking chefs are hanging around area51 waiting to commit to that site? I think there's definitely pressure to broaden the audience for fear that the proposal will die. –  Anton Geraschenko Jun 25 '10 at 6:30
    
it's humorous to me that since this answer has been added, cooking.stackexchange has become a successful site. –  smcg Aug 1 '12 at 21:58

Pick the right example questions.

You're not supposed to vote on every single question to decide if it's on- or off-topic. You're also not supposed to generate hundreds of possible questions during the proposal phase -- that serves no purpose.

You're supposed to be honing in on a small number (5 to 10) of questions which exemplify the site.

A site for dogs? Golden Retrievers are on-topic. Wolves: Off topic. Barely, but off topic.

Dalmations? Obviously on topic. And this question adds nothing. We've established that Goldens are on topic. Do we really need to enumerate the breeds to understand what it means to be a site about dogs? No.

More interestingly... are we going to have medical questions about dogs? Training questions?

Look for a small number of questions which illustrate exactly what kind of questions belong here.

Why?

Think about the next phase... the commitment phase. In the commitment phase, you're going out to the dog experts to get them to commit to participate in your site. And when they ask, "what's the site about?" we're going to show them the top 10 on-topic questions and the top 10 off-topic questions so that they get it. So make your vote count, and vote for questions which are paradigmatic and which help people understand the site.

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This. Unfortunately, generating tons of questions is the only way to get decent rep on area51, so people will continue to do it. –  Kyle Cronin Jun 2 '10 at 1:41
    
The best way to get rep on area51 BY FAR is to propose a site that gets created. –  Joel Spolsky Jun 2 '10 at 1:43
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How much rep does getting a site created produce? –  Kyle Cronin Jun 2 '10 at 1:47
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Five TRILLION. Just kidding. I don't think we've figured that out, but I think it has to do with the volume of the site, possibly on some kind of logarithmic scale... The bigger your site gets, the more reputation you deserve for thinking it up. –  Joel Spolsky Jun 2 '10 at 1:50
    
Creating a site is a much more involved and has much longer until payoff than just spamming example questions. The vast majority of users will continue generating questions, if they are motivated by rep, instead of proposing sites. –  Gnome Jun 3 '10 at 3:46

Get the topic right.

Topic names should be generic and boring.

"Psychology." (For practicing psychologists). Not "Psych Me Out!" At this stage we don't need "clever." That will come later, when the community has come together. At this stage the most important thing to do is get people together that are interested in the same site. We want to help people find each other, so use the most generic term you can think of.

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Get the scope right.

  (too small)  
  ↑  Formulas in Google Spreadsheets  
  |  Google Spreadsheets  
  |  Google Documents  
  |  Web-based Applications  
  |  Software  
  |  Computers and Internet  
  |  Technology  
  |  The World We Live In  
  ↓  Anything with a question mark  
  (too large)

A site which is too small runs out of interesting questions, and fails to attract a community of interested people. Almost nobody cares enough about garlic to make a career out of it, so a site about garlic won't attract a soul.

A site which is too large fails to get answers to specific questions because the audience cannot include an expert in every possible topic.

The perfect-sized Stack Exchange site has an audience that is the perfect size for the domain. It's simple math: if you want to get answers to questions within 10 minutes, somebody who knows the answer has to log on within 10 minutes. That means that the domain of the site has to be restricted enough, or the audience large enough, to insure that questions get answers.

Sometimes on Area 51 you'll see multiple proposals where one proposal is an obvious subset of another.

Example: Gardening vs. Organic Gardening

Sometimes, the moderators on Area 51 will use their discretion to close the proposal that they think is wrongly-scope.

But you can help, too. Follow the proposal that you think has the right scope. If you think we're going to get enough gardeners to answer all gardening questions, Organic Gardening may be too small. Follow the gardening proposal. On the other hand, if you think that organic gardeners are their own community with enough of their own problems and they won't want to be relegated to an organic tag, follow the organic gardening proposal.

In either case, we'll pay attention to which of the competing proposals has the most support to decide how to build appropriately-scoped sites.

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please see this question about merging "subset" proposals. meta.stackexchange.com/questions/52122/… –  Ciaran De Buitlear Jun 2 '10 at 10:36

Make sure your proposal appeals to high-rep SO users.

"Tell me about your site for pilots who are also professional programmers, your site for dermatologists who also deploy massive web apps, or your site for people who play in fantasy baseball leagues who also have published numerous technical books, and I'll understand that you've got a real audience in mind."

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Most of the sites which are popular so far are for nerds, because the nerds are coming from meta.stackoverflow.com. There isn't anyone else coming from anywhere else. I know there are lots of people who would post to a woodworking group, but the intersection between nerds and wordworkers is small. Thus the woodworking proposal has only got five followers so far. The whole business about saying "Oh you have to make a site for professional master woodworkers", which is supposed to win everyone over probably will make no difference. Also non-nerds don't know the stackoverflow system of questions and answers with votes, so they won't see the point: they will just see it as yet another boring forum.

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It will be very interesting to see if any proposals are accepted which don't cater to the interests of SOFU members (i.e. the nerd overlap). –  dlux Jun 16 '10 at 15:57

You should absolutely not propose anything that a moderator doesn't like, or he's going to close your proposal even if it fulfilled all requirements and was well into the "commit" phase.

Why was Apocalyptic Defense closed?

Now, of course it's not clear what moderators like or not like, so it can get tricky... but you can be quite sure they don't like fun :-/

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rule number one on any site: you can discuss things with moderators, but never ever attack their final decision in public. Moderators have to make final decisions, and btw don't get paid for the garbage collection they have to do. –  Joris Meys Oct 2 '10 at 20:46

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