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Who is there to judge if a suggestion is good/bad unless it had been tried before and showed good/bad results?

As far as I can see, downvotes in meta-stackoverflow only encourages people to give suggestions that people would like to hear

You think some ideas are plain dumb? The earth wasn't flat after all.

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I thought meta down votes meant that I agree/I don't agree rather than good/bad. I could be wrong, I'm new on meta. – JohnP May 6 '11 at 10:07
Uhh, people can have opinions about things. For example, my opinion is that this is a terrible idea. You don't have to try everything to see whether it's a good idea or not. My god, your life is either really awful or really exciting. -1 anyway. – Cody Gray May 6 '11 at 10:09
By the way, suggestions that people would like to hear are the ones that we want to hear. Can't imagine why we'd want to do things that we don't want... Is it Friday already? Or are you trolling? – Cody Gray May 6 '11 at 10:10
@CodyGray It's Friday! – JohnP May 6 '11 at 10:10
Yes, I think some ideas are dumb. For example, I could suggest that Stack Overflow changes to use a white foreground on a white background. Are you really saying it's impossible to say that that's a stupid idea before rolling it out? – Jon Skeet May 6 '11 at 10:12
@Cody Gray nop i'd thought this is a good idea, plus I'm testing to see if my reputation will fall below 0 after a certain amt of downvotes – Pacerier May 6 '11 at 10:15
@Jon Skeet did someone actually suggest that? I'd actually assume we implicitly put in some common sense too – Pacerier May 6 '11 at 10:18
What's common sense to you isn't necessarily common sense to someone else. – ChrisF May 6 '11 at 10:19
@Pacerier: It's a straw man showing that your first sentence quite often has a reasonable answer of "lots of people". – Jon Skeet May 6 '11 at 10:19
@Jon Skeet i only mean what i wrote. nothing else – Pacerier May 6 '11 at 10:20
@pacerier: Nope, you can't go below 1. Everyone has some intrinsic value, they don't deserve negative rep, blah blah blah. – Cody Gray May 6 '11 at 10:21
@ChrisF and that's common sense. at least to me – Pacerier May 6 '11 at 10:25
Who is to judge? WE ARE. – Won't May 6 '11 at 14:49

meta-stackoverflow upvotes should not exist

All the good ideas have already been suggested. The only new ideas on meta are terrible. And should a good idea come along, the SE team will implement it regardless of votes.

Upvotes just give people false hope that their dumb ideas have merit.

You think some ideas aren't dumb?

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@Jon's Evil Twin show me a link to that question then. the main idea of my message is that every suggestion has some value as long as they are not written by a troll. if your common sense tells you that white text on white background does not come from a troll, then there's nothing much i could do right? – Pacerier May 6 '11 at 10:37
if you think my message is too personal then i would suggest you read that message again without these 7 words: You think some ideas are plain dumb? – Pacerier May 6 '11 at 10:38
This is a perfectly reasonable counter-proposal. +1 for clever execution. – Cody Gray May 6 '11 at 10:40
@Jon's Evil Twin show me a link to that question meta-stackoverflow upvotes should not exist asked by a user who meant that as a suggestion – Pacerier May 6 '11 at 10:46
@Pac - I honestly have no idea what you're asking me to link to. But I think your browser may have satire disabled. – user27414 May 6 '11 at 10:48
@Jon's Evil Twin if your's had satire enabled, you would have known why I'm asking you for that link – Pacerier May 6 '11 at 10:54

Who is there to judge if a suggestion is good/bad unless it had been tried before and showed good/bad results?

Plenty of people. As per my comment, if I suggested that Stack Overflow changed to use white text on a white background, I think it's entirely reasonable that almost everyone can judge that to be a bad suggestion without actually trying it.

You think some ideas are plain dumb?

Yes, I do.

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change the verb judge to declare perhaps its more explicit. pardon me for using words with multiple nuances – Pacerier May 6 '11 at 10:41
@Pacerier: That doesn't change my answer. I think it's pretty reasonable for people to declare that they believe a suggestion is good or bad. – Jon Skeet May 6 '11 at 10:44
@Pacerier: I can't think of any word that means what I think you mean that I would end up agreeing with. – Jon Skeet May 6 '11 at 10:55
@Jon Skeet you do know what i mean. I've stated it in the previous post. – Pacerier May 6 '11 at 11:00
@Pacerier: You missed "that I would end up agreeing with". – Jon Skeet May 6 '11 at 11:00
@Jon Skeet alright, then there's no word to describe it then. – Pacerier May 6 '11 at 11:04

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