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I think the problem with tag wikis is not their functionality, but their purpose and scope. In that they don't really have defined purposes or scope.

Consider c#c#, a fairly typical "good wiki" list of resources. What's the point of that wiki?

Does it just define C#? Is it to teach you C#? Inform you of interesting resources? Teach you when to use the tag? Display some FAQs (how much of that should be the same as the FAQ tabFAQ tab?)?

That particular wiki seems have settled on defintion, "interesting resources", and some history.

Compare that to the .net wiki.net wiki which is mostly a list of libraries, or phpphp which is about 1/2 FAQs.

What's the common goal* of these pages?

I'd argue that there isn't one, and this is the flaw in tag wikis currently.

At best, the existing wikis are info dumps; they might help you solve your specific problem (but probably not), but you'll have to spend a lot of time sifting through them. Sort of like the bad old phpBB days now that I think about it.

*Concretely. Nebulous goals like "make the internet better" (or "help people with programming") are great mission statements, but talking about a single page or feature we really do need a laser focus.


If you reach waaaay back in time to when we introduced tag wikis you'll find this tidbit:

Tag wikis help introduce newcomers to the tag. They contain frequently asked questions about the tag and guidelines on its usage.

Current uses of tag wikis as "list of links" or dumping grounds for off-topic (but popular) questions are contrary to the initial purpose of tag wikis


I think that in order to salvage tag wikis we really need to give them a purpose. Tag wikis can never be successful unless normal people have a reason to go to them.

A well defined X in "use tag wikis to accomplish X", in other words.

I am very much against just slapping new tools on top of the existing system

I think all we can accomplish by, say, adding sub pages is subdividing already poorly scoped content. It'd be reorganizing deck chairs on the Titanic, polishing a turd, etc.


As to that X... I'm not sure. I'm personally leaning toward just tossing** the long form of tag wikis, excerpts*** already accomplish their initial purpose more than adequately.

Of course, there could be a compelling reason to keep them around I can't think of. However the "tag homepage" that /info sort of is right now could be reclaimed for more useful things than tag wikis have become, at least IMO.

**To be clear, this is still just a personal feeling; not anything planned by the team.

***Confusingly, excerpts are not actually excerpts of the larger tag wiki. They're a separate entity, so removing the "long form" tag wiki doesn't imply removing excerpts.

I think the problem with tag wikis is not their functionality, but their purpose and scope. In that they don't really have defined purposes or scope.

Consider c#, a fairly typical "good wiki" list of resources. What's the point of that wiki?

Does it just define C#? Is it to teach you C#? Inform you of interesting resources? Teach you when to use the tag? Display some FAQs (how much of that should be the same as the FAQ tab?)?

That particular wiki seems have settled on defintion, "interesting resources", and some history.

Compare that to the .net wiki which is mostly a list of libraries, or php which is about 1/2 FAQs.

What's the common goal* of these pages?

I'd argue that there isn't one, and this is the flaw in tag wikis currently.

At best, the existing wikis are info dumps; they might help you solve your specific problem (but probably not), but you'll have to spend a lot of time sifting through them. Sort of like the bad old phpBB days now that I think about it.

*Concretely. Nebulous goals like "make the internet better" (or "help people with programming") are great mission statements, but talking about a single page or feature we really do need a laser focus.


If you reach waaaay back in time to when we introduced tag wikis you'll find this tidbit:

Tag wikis help introduce newcomers to the tag. They contain frequently asked questions about the tag and guidelines on its usage.

Current uses of tag wikis as "list of links" or dumping grounds for off-topic (but popular) questions are contrary to the initial purpose of tag wikis


I think that in order to salvage tag wikis we really need to give them a purpose. Tag wikis can never be successful unless normal people have a reason to go to them.

A well defined X in "use tag wikis to accomplish X", in other words.

I am very much against just slapping new tools on top of the existing system

I think all we can accomplish by, say, adding sub pages is subdividing already poorly scoped content. It'd be reorganizing deck chairs on the Titanic, polishing a turd, etc.


As to that X... I'm not sure. I'm personally leaning toward just tossing** the long form of tag wikis, excerpts*** already accomplish their initial purpose more than adequately.

Of course, there could be a compelling reason to keep them around I can't think of. However the "tag homepage" that /info sort of is right now could be reclaimed for more useful things than tag wikis have become, at least IMO.

**To be clear, this is still just a personal feeling; not anything planned by the team.

***Confusingly, excerpts are not actually excerpts of the larger tag wiki. They're a separate entity, so removing the "long form" tag wiki doesn't imply removing excerpts.

I think the problem with tag wikis is not their functionality, but their purpose and scope. In that they don't really have defined purposes or scope.

Consider c#, a fairly typical "good wiki" list of resources. What's the point of that wiki?

Does it just define C#? Is it to teach you C#? Inform you of interesting resources? Teach you when to use the tag? Display some FAQs (how much of that should be the same as the FAQ tab?)?

That particular wiki seems have settled on defintion, "interesting resources", and some history.

Compare that to the .net wiki which is mostly a list of libraries, or php which is about 1/2 FAQs.

What's the common goal* of these pages?

I'd argue that there isn't one, and this is the flaw in tag wikis currently.

At best, the existing wikis are info dumps; they might help you solve your specific problem (but probably not), but you'll have to spend a lot of time sifting through them. Sort of like the bad old phpBB days now that I think about it.

*Concretely. Nebulous goals like "make the internet better" (or "help people with programming") are great mission statements, but talking about a single page or feature we really do need a laser focus.


If you reach waaaay back in time to when we introduced tag wikis you'll find this tidbit:

Tag wikis help introduce newcomers to the tag. They contain frequently asked questions about the tag and guidelines on its usage.

Current uses of tag wikis as "list of links" or dumping grounds for off-topic (but popular) questions are contrary to the initial purpose of tag wikis


I think that in order to salvage tag wikis we really need to give them a purpose. Tag wikis can never be successful unless normal people have a reason to go to them.

A well defined X in "use tag wikis to accomplish X", in other words.

I am very much against just slapping new tools on top of the existing system

I think all we can accomplish by, say, adding sub pages is subdividing already poorly scoped content. It'd be reorganizing deck chairs on the Titanic, polishing a turd, etc.


As to that X... I'm not sure. I'm personally leaning toward just tossing** the long form of tag wikis, excerpts*** already accomplish their initial purpose more than adequately.

Of course, there could be a compelling reason to keep them around I can't think of. However the "tag homepage" that /info sort of is right now could be reclaimed for more useful things than tag wikis have become, at least IMO.

**To be clear, this is still just a personal feeling; not anything planned by the team.

***Confusingly, excerpts are not actually excerpts of the larger tag wiki. They're a separate entity, so removing the "long form" tag wiki doesn't imply removing excerpts.

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I think the problem with tag wikis is not their functionality, but their purpose and scope. In that they don't really have defined purposes or scope.

Consider c#, a fairly typical "good wiki" list of resources. What's the point of that wiki?

Does it just define C#? Is it to teach you C#? Inform you of interesting resources? Teach you when to use the tag? Display some FAQs (how much of that should be the same as the FAQ tab?)?

That particular wiki seems have settled on defintion, "interesting resources", and some history.

Compare that to the .net wiki which is mostly a list of libraries, or php which is about 1/2 FAQs.

What's the common goal* of these pages?

I'd argue that there isn't one, and this is the flaw in tag wikis currently.

At best, the existing wikis are info dumps; they might help you solve your specific problem (but probably not), but you'll have to spend a lot of time sifting through them. Sort of like the bad old phpBB days now that I think about it.

*Concretely. Nebulous goals like "make the internet better" (or "help people with programming") are great mission statements, but talking about a single page or feature we really do need a laser focus.


If you reach waaaay back in time to when we introduced tag wikis you'll find this tidbit:

Tag wikis help introduce newcomers to the tag. They contain frequently asked questions about the tag and guidelines on its usage.

Current uses of tag wikis as "list of links" or dumping grounds for off-topic (but popular) questions are contrary to the initial purpose of tag wikis


I think that in order to salvage tag wikis we really need to give them a purpose. Tag wikis can never be successful unless normal people have a reason to go to them.

A well defined X in "use tag wikis to accomplish X", in other words.

I am very much against just slapping new tools on top of the existing system

I think all we can accomplish by, say, adding sub pages is subdividing already poorly scoped content. It'd be reorganizing deck chairs on the Titanic, polishing a turd, etc.


As to that X... I'm not sure. I'm personally leaning toward just tossing** the long form of tag wikis, excerpts*** already accomplish their initial purpose more than adequately.

Of course, there could be a compelling reason to keep them around I can't think of. However the "tag homepage" that /info sort of is right now could be reclaimed for more useful things than tag wikis have become, at least IMO.

**To be clear, this is still just a personal feeling; not anything planned by the team.

***Confusingly, excerpts are not actually excerpts of the larger tag wiki. They're a separate entity, so removing the "long form" tag wiki doesn't imply removing excerpts.