Timeline for We'd like your feedback on our new Code of Conduct!
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| Jul 18, 2018 at 12:31 | comment | added | user |
It's not black or white. SE is an emotionless company vs SE is a community. It's both to different extents. You are using an extremely simplistic description of the situation, aka a biased model (biased models aren't always bad; often they are extremely handy and adequate, but not in this case). That being said, I fully agree that CoC feels like aiming to promoted growth and will damage quality, as it has been the case for quite a while now with other SE policies.
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| Jul 13, 2018 at 12:03 | comment | added | k0pernikus | I strongly agree duping should be rewarded, yet I won't go as far as to say: "answering a question later closed as duplicate should be negative rep". Sometimes questions are duped a little to quickly, and there is a specific edge cases in the actual question that merit its own answer. | |
| Jul 9, 2018 at 22:58 | comment | added | James | To ignore constructive criticism is unintelligent. The post is fine, the comments were a bit below the belt imo. I get why someone on the receiving end could be offended. That said, again, just use it as useful info in whatever capacity it can be useful and move on | |
| Jul 8, 2018 at 20:18 | comment | added | Please stop being evil | This post is blatantly abusive and I have flagged it as such as it is in violation of our Be Nice policy. | |
| Jul 8, 2018 at 14:36 | comment | added | Mad Scientist | @TheGreatDuck if you have specific examples of users answers, and then closing as a wrong duplicate, please flag them. That's certainly something that's actionable now, if it is happening. | |
| Jul 8, 2018 at 14:00 | comment | added | user64742 | I think that punishing people just for answering a duplicate is a bit harsh. The rep shouldn't go away. If anything the answer should transfer to the original post by some automated mechanism. I say this because sometimes answers to duplicates are still quality content and the user didn't know a duplicate existed. However, there is a recent trend of certain MSE users answering and then closing as duplicate regardless of whether the duplicate actually matches. In other words they purposefully close it to prevent other people from answering... stopping that is a higher priority imo | |
| Jul 8, 2018 at 4:41 | comment | added | LinkBerest - SO sold our work | ...you (again, meaning SE as a company) has lost a lot more trust then I think anyone there realizes. It can feel like any attempt by people to express this is either ignored, responded to negatively, or just given an empty response. I don't doubt logically that SE employees really care but then again some days I really do. | |
| Jul 8, 2018 at 4:38 | comment | added | LinkBerest - SO sold our work | @TimPost actually I was planning on posting an answer as well but seeing that this is just another time when people (meaning a employee) asked for "all feedback" but then respond defensively when given negative feedback - I just can't. I typically use SO more during the summer (when working on technical projects) but after the problems with Docs and then all the "SO users are horrible" posts/blog (yes I know this is not what they were meant to convey but they still feel like "pretty low blows" to many of us) - I just haven't wanted to face the scrutiny of answering questions this year. | |
| Jul 8, 2018 at 0:24 | comment | added | Z Kubota | "We'd like your feedback" answered with "Stop pretending you care". Wow. Basically publicly calling the poster a liar! Even IF you somehow knew for a certainty that @TimPost were insincere, how does this type of approach help anything? Unless one is going for pure shock value, which would seem to be the "engagement" and "eyeballs"-seeking which you yourself are decrying... considering the context, that this received upvotes is both ironic and disappointing. | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 22:24 | comment | added | Sam Liddicott | I've had questions marked as duplicate which weren't. I explained clearly why not but the duplicate-claimer is either too stupid or wrongly incentivised to care. | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 21:40 | comment | added | Ben | @TimPost it was a plural "you". It wasn't aimed at you personally - how could it be? I wouldn't know you if we passed in the street. Which goes to my point: SO is not a community, it is a business, and we are not members of a community, we are interchangeable punters providing content to draw more punters to sell to advertisers. A year ago the complaint was we couldn't find good questions. Now we can't find good answers either. You lost the focus on quality in favour of inclusiveness, now we are drowning in worthless clickbait: SO has eight answers for you! Number 7 will astound you! | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 18:59 | comment | added | user50049 | @NeilButterworth I was an elected mod (2011) for several years prior to being hired, and quite active all the way back to the early beta. Yes, I'm compensated now, but I'm not pretending to care because it's my job and I strongly resent the suggestion of it. That's all I'm going to say, my character was challenged, and I'm taking the opportunity to refute a pretty low blow. | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 18:53 | comment | added | Neil Butterworth | @Tim Well, we all contribute for free. Except maybe not you, as you seem to be " Director Of Community Strategy for Stack Overflow" - does that mean you work for SE? For money? Genuinely interested. | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 18:49 | comment | added | user50049 | I removed my comment. However, I put this document out for comment in good faith and it is, at best, disingenuous to imply that I'm being anything but honest when it comes to caring about the feedback that we receive, or this community in general. You start off with Stop pretending to care and as someone that has also given years of his time for free to help this place run, I'm gonna call you on that. | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 18:32 | comment | added | Neil Butterworth | @Mad Well, it's not obvious to me that people like Tim Post do care what we, the users and contributors of SO, do think. They seem to have their own agenda, which this post spells out quite well. | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 18:29 | comment | added | Mad Scientist | @NeilButterworth the first sentence alone "Stop pretending you care what we think." makes it clear that nothing good would come from SE engaging with this post any further. Large parts of the post are assigning some nefarious purpose to decisions by SE, making this far more of a personal attack than anything resembling constructive criticism. | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 18:07 | comment | added | Neil Butterworth | @TimPost And that is you being "nice"? I thought this was one of the better posts here. And if you are going to accuse people of being "mean-spirited" and "falacious" you should be specific in those accusations. | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 17:01 | comment | added | Cindy Meister | @TimPost I don't think I'd classify it as rude... Cynical, definitely. But quite honestly, when I'm in a cynical mood SO does make this impression on me, as well. If the complaints in social media about not being "welcoming" are taken seriously, then the causes of this kind of reaction should be looked at, as well. | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 15:01 | comment | added | James | Yeah I get that, but introduce "2 rep for marking a Q as a dupe" and half of Stack Overflow questions will be flagged as dupes overnight. People only interested in rep will likely inadvertently vote in favour of each other and many will end up being (incorrectly) closed as a dupe. | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 15:01 | history | edited | Ben | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 7, 2018 at 14:51 | history | edited | Ben | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 7, 2018 at 14:48 | comment | added | Ben | @James If it's not part of the rep system it won't get done. At present asking and answering an easy duplicate will earn all parties 30 rep. That's why it happens and this is intentional: meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/252756/… | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 13:47 | comment | added | James | "Closing as duplicate should be rewarded" interesting idea. Would need to somehow tackle the issue of people doing it for the reward, especially with many grey areas where dupe or not dupe can be debated. Tho, if we cleaned up the site in general and removed low quality localised questions then people will do this more naturally anyway as the reward will be keeping the site clean. At the moment it's a losing battle so not enough people bother | |
| Jul 7, 2018 at 13:14 | history | answered | Ben | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
