Timeline for Allow Monica to have a structured conversation (à la mediation) with SE leadership
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| Jan 15, 2020 at 1:13 | history | edited | KorvinStarmast | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 19, 2019 at 22:26 | comment | added | hayd | @KorvinStarmast I strongly suspect they do have a duty of care and, sadly, Monica will have to seek outside council in order to redress. I don't think there's any coming back from that (i.e. rejoining as a moderator) so understand why she'd want to avoid this, but considering SO Inc's [lack of/poor] response it seems inevitable. | |
| Oct 19, 2019 at 12:49 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @hayd I made an edit, though as i think through what I am trying to get across, I realize that the duty of care issue is a topic that requires its own answer. It's also a bit more of a legalistic term than what I anchored this answer on. Indeed, I think that a part of the general negative reaction to this situation is the feeling that the duty of care has been either overlooked, abandoned, or never accepted by the organization. If Monica has been harmed professionally by this, a formal course of redress or remedy will, I suspect, focus on the duty of care being unfulfilled. | |
| Oct 19, 2019 at 12:45 | history | edited | KorvinStarmast | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 19, 2019 at 12:40 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @hayd I think you are correct in the general sense. I mentioned something related to that briefly in re the non profit that my brother works at, but I think I'll add that term since it touches on the relationship point. | |
| Oct 19, 2019 at 3:27 | comment | added | hayd | I think there is a duty of care, i.e. a responsibility, of the company rather than a right of the volunteer. | |
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| Oct 9, 2019 at 12:16 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @aparente001 Apparently, not hyperbole | |
| Oct 9, 2019 at 11:00 | history | edited | KorvinStarmast | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 8, 2019 at 19:50 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @aparente001 I had no contact with community managers, nor did I need any, nor did I desire any I was aware that if I wanted to, I could talk to a community manager, but I felt no need and no desire to do so. A month off of that SE did me no harm. Whereas, Monica was subjected to what I see as a public shaming (and I am sorry if I am guilty of hyperbole). | |
| Oct 8, 2019 at 18:14 | comment | added | aparente001 | @Chris - Seems like you could take that response as an indication that informal mediation was unsuccessful -- if you wanted to submit a test case with JAMS (see meta.stackexchange.com/a/334482/287826). | |
| Oct 8, 2019 at 17:58 | comment | added | Chris | @aparente001 I used that email link, and finally got a response that basically said "if you don't like it here, leave" | |
| Oct 8, 2019 at 17:38 | comment | added | aparente001 | @Chris - Please see my comment to Korvin, and also you may want to consider meta.stackexchange.com/a/334482/287826 | |
| Oct 8, 2019 at 17:34 | comment | added | aparente001 | @KorvinStarmast - There is a way to contact the staff-level moderation people -- the "Contact" button in the footer. It's not well publicized, there can be a delay, and it doesn't always result in anything meaningful, but it is worth a try in my experience. | |
| Oct 8, 2019 at 16:06 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @Chris I served a one month suspension two years ago at an SE site and there were two ways for me to reach the diamond mods. One was a discrete chat, the other was an email outlet that was possible due to myself and a diamond mod having previously shared an email with each other. I had no contact with community managers, nor did I need any, nor did I desire any. But it's interesting to think through the matter of "how to you contact someone who won't answer your calls" as a problem. | |
| Oct 8, 2019 at 16:01 | comment | added | Chris | I was suspended during all this mess, I am guessing for my comments expressing dissatisfaction? I have not had any response or interaction, no warnings, no information about why I was suspended rather than warned as described in the CoC. No email responses. It doesn't bode well for any user getting any kind of satisfactory conversation about issues. They won't converse with their moderators or their users, but plan to increase the ways in which they can run afoul of rules and wind up in a position to need a conversation in the first place. | |
| Oct 8, 2019 at 15:47 | history | edited | KorvinStarmast | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 8, 2019 at 3:46 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @fredsbend well shoot, and I thought I was doing so well. Back to the drawing board .. :-) | |
| Oct 6, 2019 at 16:35 | history | edited | KorvinStarmast | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 6, 2019 at 2:44 | comment | added | user212646 | Your rights are depreciated. Stand by while we collect your new ones. | |
| Oct 5, 2019 at 20:34 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @JohnDvorak Sorry, I should have added that on first usage in the original post. | |
| Oct 5, 2019 at 20:30 | comment | added | John Dvorak | I have asked Google what "PTB" means and it said "pulmonary tuberculosis". Thank you for clarifying this point before I even asked. | |
| Oct 5, 2019 at 20:29 | history | edited | KorvinStarmast | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 5, 2019 at 19:05 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @Richard I tried to capture that point with The PTB do the math, and they look at the size of the volunteer base that potentially offers them replacements. And they like their odds | |
| Oct 5, 2019 at 19:03 | comment | added | Richard | You may also want to note that there are no shortage of people who'd quite like to do the mod's jobs on most of the sites from which they've resigned. "I quit" has bugger all leverage when ten people would step up to do your job tomorrow, for free. | |
| Oct 5, 2019 at 18:59 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @aparente001 In re your last sentence: yep, that is a best practice. | |
| Oct 5, 2019 at 18:57 | comment | added | aparente001 | Well, let's just see what happens. Right now I hear thundering silence from corporate leadership. That may mean there's some hope for them to go back to the drawing board. I've learned that in a conflict it is always good to leave a graceful way out for the other party, in case they have a change of heart. | |
| Oct 5, 2019 at 18:50 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | @aparente001 to have a conversation/mediation takes two parties. The "we are not going to re-litigate this" position is not one that demonstrates being open to being a party to such a process. I too wish it were otherwise. | |
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| Oct 5, 2019 at 4:44 | comment | added | aparente001 | Mediation isn't just for collective bargaining in the workplace. It can be with anyone you have a conflict with -- maybe your neighbor's teenage son practices saxophone with the windows open every evening right when you're trying to get your toddler to bed. A mediator can help you have a productive conversation with your neighbor. | |
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| Oct 5, 2019 at 2:46 | history | answered | KorvinStarmast | CC BY-SA 4.0 |