Timeline for The "loop" has arrived. What does the community think about it?
Current License: CC BY-SA 4.0
14 events
| when toggle format | what | by | license | comment | |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| Nov 29, 2019 at 11:47 | comment | added | MechMK1 | You want to know how people will stop criticizing SE, Inc's every move? If they stop doing shitty things! Do you think if SE, Inc's CEO would step forward and write a heart-felt apology about how sorry he is that the communication with the community is not working and adds a plan on how to fix it, the community will pile on him? | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 17:32 | comment | added | user540056 | The demotion of Monica plus the subsequent tone-deaf reaction of SE followed by the total deafness of SE caused a tipping point. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 13:50 | comment | added | Script47 | 'No matter what SE staff post, the community is going to pile on and mercilessly yell at them.' - This is utter nonsense and is just plain and simply WRONG, and provably so too. Look at how the new post rollout was taken. Try sort questions by the highest voted and see how many (ex) staff posts come at the top. As is with all posts, good posts get acknowledged and bad posts get critiqued. I'm not even going to touch the allegations of MSE being "toxic" because it would just take too long. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 13:32 | comment | added | Sébastien Renauld | Hard disagree with this. When the CTO came out and gave an announcement that resonated positively with people, it got what it deserved: praise. It turns out it was a whole load of horseshit, but that's a different matter. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 11:53 | comment | added | dfhwze | @Trilarion Just so you know, down-voting is not considered hostile just yet. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 10:54 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | I can't really downvote that answer, because that would look hostile but I also can't upvote it because I disagree. I think I remember upvoted posts from company employees in the last months. I'm relatively sure that if company employees would have posted and explained more in the last moths, they would have gotten a much better reception. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 8:59 | comment | added | Lundin | Yes meta is dysfunctional but surveys are no replacement. Getting rid of the Q&A format for meta and replace it with more traditional forums like Reddit etc where you can keep track of discussion threads would work better. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 8:44 | comment | added | Pekka | While I too think Meta turning into a place hostile to employees was mostly the company's own making, it is certainly true that it has been dysfunctional for a long long time and an overhaul something like this was long overdue. It's just that for me personally, the past few months destroyed so much trust, I can't have any faith in the new process. And a hard time seeing why I should contribute to it, because while I accept SE staff can't be our chums any more, there is a wider community to include, etc., as a volunteer I expect the company to stick to a basic standard of decency. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 8:29 | comment | added | dim | "No matter what SE staff post, the community is going to pile on and mercilessly yell at them" There was a time, just a few years ago, when it was pretty much the opposite: whatever choice SE inc made, people were only delivering words of praise. And they are exactly the same people. So maybe (just maybe) the backlash they experience now happens because they became completely disconnected from their community. It didn't come out of the blue. And the disagreements really mean something: it's certainly not just because people now like to complain. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 6:21 | comment | added | This_is_NOT_a_forum | Re "No matter what SE staff post, the community is going to pile on and mercilessly yell at them": Yes, that is the crux of the matter. It should not be difficult to design a better system for meta (a Q&A system with immediate voting on every post is not a good fit). But it will (unfortunately) probably be closed down entirely instead. Let us hope it will not be replaced by something substandard. But I would really like to see Stack Exchange set a new standard for different kind of sites than Q&A sites, including meta sites. Like they did with the original software in 2008. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 6:08 | comment | added | dfhwze | "Meta.SE is dysfunctional for communicating with SE staff" on the contrary, because of the constructive feedback on the survey, SE staff have taken swift action to update their latest survey (missing options, missing ethnic groups). Also be reminded that SE staff are adults, not infants; they are able to deal with criticism and dissenting reactions. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 3:45 | comment | added | GhostCat | See meta.stackexchange.com/questions/337013/…. Albeit that announcement also came a bit late, and could have gone to MSO, positive feedback, constructive answers. And if you want to see something nice: search my answer there and read what the SE staffer has to say about it on Twitter. Also note for example that the apology MSE entry by David Fullerton first received hundreds of upvotes, before that turned around. Thus your premise about merciless yelling is a at least oversimplified, if not misleading. | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 3:25 | comment | added | Kyle Fairns | This is a decent point, but (for the most part) activity on meta's involve criticising ideas, and as long as the line between attacking ideas and personal attacks is made clear (and appropriate action is taken when the line is genuinely crossed), I don't see how points can't be pulled out and improved upon (or even just talked about by the community and staff members). The outrage is happening because the community is feeling like it's not being listened to, and it seems like The Company are content with tightening the feedback loop in order to avoid what it may lead to anyway: a mass exodus | |
| Nov 26, 2019 at 3:10 | history | answered | Rebecca J. Stones | CC BY-SA 4.0 |