Someone just asked a question about how -dealloc gets called. The question was closed without comment shortly after it was posted, despite being fairly clear and having a definite answer. I'd agree that its' a pretty basic question that could easily be answered by consulting the appropriate Objective-C language reference, but that seems like grounds for a downvote rather than closing as 'not a real question'.

Is this a case of abusing "not a real question"?

  • Even with your edits, the question still shows no research effort at all, and if posted like that might still be closed. – agf Aug 17 '11 at 14:10
  • Nice job editing that question. As Cody pointed out, I couldn't make heads or tails of it as originally written, but I think you've done a great job in reshaping it into a coherent question. It got reopened, so I think you've succeeded here. – Brad Larson Aug 17 '11 at 15:07

You're focusing on the topic of the question (an Objective-C question about -dealloc), which is almost certainly not why the question was closed as "not a real question". Focus instead on the overall quality of the question itself, including the way in which it is asked.

Note that the question looked like this when it was closed:

Who call dealloc method ?? and when?? in objective c

When We Create a new custom class in objective c Who call dealloc method ?? and when?? in objective c.

Really? You think this is a real question? It doesn't make much sense to me and looks like a complete abomination. I don't really understand how this grammatically-nonsensical one-liner even made it through our automatic filter designed specifically to keep out such low-quality questions. If this is a case of anything, it's a case of abusing the "Ask Question" feature.

If you think that there is possibly a real question in there somewhere, then it is your job to edit the question and extract the real question part that you see. Neither me nor the 5 close voters see it.
(When you edit, make sure to add the phrase in objective c 6 or 8 more times, just to be super-duper clear.)

Once you've done that, then you should flag the post for moderator attention to get it re-opened or bring the issue here to Meta, hoping to elicit the votes of 4 more community members.

  • Somebody didn't have their coffee this morning – James Aug 17 '11 at 13:42
  • @James: Uh, why do you say that? – Cody Gray Aug 17 '11 at 13:43
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    @James: possible, but if that's the result, then I wholeheartedly approve occasional coffeelessness ;-) – Joachim Sauer Aug 17 '11 at 13:45
  • @Cody Gray It's a pretty good chewing out for 830 in the morning – James Aug 17 '11 at 13:51
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    @James: I don't see it that way. Perhaps I'm "chewing out" the person who asked the original question, but (s)he isn't here. And I don't really understand why you think that the question in question deserves a free pass. (I haven't even gone to sleep yet, so it's not a coffee or early morning issue. I'm always this sunshine-y.) – Cody Gray Aug 17 '11 at 13:53
  • @CodyGray, I'm sure you're right, and I should have edited the question before I posted here. Nevertheless, even in its original ramshackle form, I think the intent of the question was pretty easy to discern. Anyway, I've edited now and expect that the question is now "real"; I hope you'll consider voting to reopen. – Caleb Aug 17 '11 at 13:55
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    @Cody Gray I never said the question deserves a free pass, I would have voted to close as well. The point I'm making is that the answer you provided to this question is abrasive to the point of making me question whether or not you had enough coffee. – James Aug 17 '11 at 13:57
  • @James: Where is the abrasive part? – Cody Gray Aug 17 '11 at 13:58
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    @Cody Gray (When you edit, make sure to add the phrase in objective c 6 or 8 more times, just to be super-duper clear.) Sarcastic, and unnecessary – James Aug 17 '11 at 13:58
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    @Cody Gray Really? You think this is a real question? sarcastic and unnecessary – James Aug 17 '11 at 13:59
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    @James: Expressing disbelief is "sarcastic and unnecessary"? How would you have written that? "I don't understand how you can think this is a real question?" Would that have been better? – Cody Gray Aug 17 '11 at 13:59
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    @Cody Gray I think there are better ways to point out the illegitimacy of the question than calling out the asker. I would have pointed to the obvious grammar and content issues and left it at that. This commentary comes off as rude to me. – James Aug 17 '11 at 14:06
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    I think more sarcasm would probably be appropriate. The OP said "The question was closed without comment shortly after it was posted, despite being fairly clear..." when as pointed out, it was most definitely not clear - in fact it was terrible. In this case, a rescue edit has saved the question. So this is a good example of an edit resulting in reopen but it is in no way an abuse of "not a real question" and Caleb (14k+) should surely have known that. Bringing up the issue as an abuse of the system rather than as a request for reopen votes deserves some mock disbelief - in objective c. – theChrisKent Aug 17 '11 at 15:30
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    @theChrisKent: I do sometimes wonder how people who seem unable to write a complete sentence expect to be able to write syntactically valid code. Nevertheless, I think we do try to make allowances for people who may not be able to express themselves clearly in English. The intent of the question seemed quite clear to me, possibly because it's a common newbie question about Objective-C, so closing as not a real question without comment did seem inappropriate. I didn't understand, and that's why I asked. I'm not sure I need to be mocked for it, but I do appreciate the answers. – Caleb Aug 17 '11 at 16:25
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    @Caleb I was irritated at James' assertion that Cody was being rude when I agreed with Cody's answer and reasoning. I also was not wanting to mock you nor was I encouraging Cody to do so. I meant mock disbelief as in sarcastic questioning (Pretend disbelief or exaggerated shock) as in "Really?". I think your saving of the question is great and I also strongly disagree with voting down questions struggling with English. This particular question could only be saved by an expert so I don't think the close votes were abusive. Fortunately experts like you can edit and then ask to reopen. – theChrisKent Aug 17 '11 at 17:42

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