Seems that [data-warehouse] and [database-design] questions are being migrated from StackOverflow by (?) to Database Administrators -- here is an example.
Is this now an established policy?
Is there a rule when a question is being migrated?
Speaking from the standpoint of someone "in the know" over at [dba.se], I would encourage you to first check the FAQ (which to my own fault is lacking in replete defintion, but we've recently held mod elections, so we should be sprucing that up .. soonish) but then to follow it up with a brief visit to our meta, wherein the FAQ tab of the Questions page on that meta (which is the canonical-to-date place to find such questions, as it would be here on Meta.Stack Overflow) shows this Q:
What kind of questions are allowed on Database Administrators ?
We see what questions are encouraged to be asked there.
However, what you're really wanting to know is: We've been asking for selected questions to be migrated, because we wanted to build a better core set of questions of the variety that we wanted to see, and we haven't asked for questions to be migrated en-masse because cherry picking gives us what we want and keeps things clean.
So, does this mean "yay, migrate all the things"? No, not at all. But if you're curious about if your question would be better suited on a site dedicated to getting help from senior DBAs (whether they be NoSQL or RDBMS guys) and you can't tell from browsing the site first (hey, your question could already be well answered!) then feel free to ask on http://meta.dba.stackexchange.com or pop into the chatroom:
HTH (but it won't have helped at all, I'm sure)
answered Oct 19 '11 at 20:47
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Here is my point: Top three [database-design] answerers on SO have answered between 120 and 320 questions each. In total there are currently only about 150 of those on DBA -- even I have answered more than that on SO. Similar with [data-warehouse]. So, why do you feel that these questions should be migrated away from SO? – user139631 Oct 19 '11 at 21:32
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6Because when most of those were asked/answered, Database Administrators wasn't even a potential migration target. Only your most recent ~60 answers would the questions likely have even been eligible for migration in the first place. That's 60 out of more than 300. That's why "now" and not "before". However, if your entire question boils down to "why migrate them at all" then I can only shake my head. That's the whole point to having more specialized sites, where we can better separate out the wheat from the chaff. We need less bazaar and more specialist alley. – jcolebrand Oct 19 '11 at 21:35
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What does that mean? Who needs that? Developers obviously do not -- they have asked those questions on SO and had them answered. I do not see top 5 SO answerers in these categories on DBA exchange? What prevents you to answer those questions on SO? – user139631 Oct 20 '11 at 6:14
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Did a quick check. Out of top 20 SO answerers in [database-design] only two are on DBA exchange list (top 5 are not). I do recognize few more names. Similar with [data-warehouse]. So remind me again, who thinks that these questions should be migrated? – user139631 Oct 20 '11 at 6:55
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1The answer is that we have professional DBAs asking to migrate those questions over, because we want to create a site where developers can get answers FROM PROFESSIONAL DBAs, much as they would at a jobsite. Sometimes you need to ask a DBA, sometimes you can get away with asking a developer. You may have noticed that sometimes people ask questions on Stack Overflow that don't really pertain to Stack Overflow properly, such as the ones that get migrated to Server Fault or Super User even tho they could get properly answered on Stack Overflow. I bet you're also upset about Software Engineering being a separate site huh? – jcolebrand Oct 20 '11 at 15:06
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Additionally, while I'm glad that you recognize a few names on the top of the list, I recognize more of them. I and several professional DBAs that are looking to illustrate the types of questions that would be better answered by professional DBAs than by developers are the ones that are making those decisions on what should be migrated. Do you feel that the DBA site is somehow not a better place to find specific topical experts to answer those questions? Would you rather just hope that a developer knows enough about databases here on Stack Overflow to answer your questions? – jcolebrand Oct 20 '11 at 15:08
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I for one joined the stacks because I recognized the benefit of having local experts in a concentrated system that I could tap for specific domain expertise. I don't have a problem with the idea that experts can help me better than non-experts. That is why Database Administrators was created. To give a place where experts could be found. Many of the top users on Database Administrators are the go-to consultants or they have MVPs or their equivalents, they are the ones whose articles you read in magazines. Being able to pick their brains is something I'm proud to be part of. – jcolebrand Oct 20 '11 at 15:10
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So your claim is that people answering these two database related question-groups on SO are not knowledgable enough because they do not qualify as professional database administrators -- at least until they join db.se. So why don't you just answer on SO and vote up-down? And what prevents user for going directly to db.se and asking there? – user139631 Oct 20 '11 at 15:37
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1I did not say that. I said that we want to create a stronger base of questions on Database Administrators and have asked that those questions get migrated. By asking to migrate questions, eventually people like you, who are familiar with the topics, and people who are new but looking, will find the site. We want to provide a better experience, by focusing our effots. I'm not saying it's wrong to ask them here, I'm saying it's better to ask them there. I'm saying that sometimes I can ask a dev, but sometimes I have to goto my dba. – jcolebrand Oct 20 '11 at 15:40
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Do keep in mind that this question is about migrating questions away from SO for two very specific tags. – user139631 Oct 20 '11 at 15:54
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Yes, it's about migrating away database questions that DBAs would be more likely to answer properly than devs. What did I miss? – jcolebrand Oct 20 '11 at 16:09
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@Damir Sudarevic: How many questions about database design are not tagged "database-design"? Two example: stackoverflow.com/questions/6008016/… or stackoverflow.com/q/5620476/27535 "Normalization", "Database" etc cover it too – gbn Oct 20 '11 at 16:32
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1Wait, so you do database design, but you never consult a DBA to make sure that you're doing the best design for the database? You do realize that being a DBA is more than knowing what the logfiles mean, right? – jcolebrand Oct 20 '11 at 17:40
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Is this now an established policy?
Is there a rule when a question is being migrated?
AFAIK there is no rule or policy on this, it boils down to what the SO community wants and whether there are questions they would like to send to a better home if there was one - but over on dba.se our intention is to provide a good home for:
- advanced database-related questions
- SE users on other sites who could do a great job answering these questions!
Looking through some of your answers, I think you'd be a valuable contributor on dba.se should you choose to share yourself between us and SO - personally, I hope you will consider doing so, and ultimately I think you would be very happy on the site as it grows and becomes better known
answered Oct 20 '11 at 15:37
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Most kind of you Jack. – user139631 Oct 20 '11 at 17:13
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1@DamirSudarevic - I'm with Jack on this. Despite the unfortunate name (which many of us are pushing to change), we have plenty of activity related to design and we would love some more experts in the DW arena like yourself on DBA.SE. – Nick Chammas Oct 25 '11 at 15:32
