Can closing questions when not in review (so just browsing a question and clicking close) be counted as a review task?

I mostly don't use the review queue to cast close votes (there I don't feel I make a big difference), but I often do when browsing questions, so some progress towards the badge would be cool.

I'm not sure what currently happens regarding this, but the same can be said for reopen and edit (1) (suggested edits) (and I'm guessing delete).

I'll note that to technically classify as a review task, one vote would already need to have been cast on the question (N/A to suggested edits) (whether or not to apply this is arguable).

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    Voting to close outside of review is not a review task and shouldn't be treated as one. – ɥʇǝS Apr 5 '13 at 18:37

Frankly: to me this sounds like a blatant ploy to get the /review-related badges.

The short answer is no and I'm marking this .

The long answer is a bit more wordy.

Voting to close outside of the review queue is in no way a review task -- it's a basic function of being a responsible community member. If you see crummy questions in the course of browsing a site, it is your responsibility as a productive member of this community to downvote and vote to close.

However, by contrast, there are some users who don't stumble across these questions very much but want to help improve the overall quality of SO. A good question requires domain knowledge to answer; a bad question is spotted even by someone unfamiliar with the subject.

The review queue (especially the close/delete/reopen queues) are meant to isolate that critiquing function and channel it into a productive space. Review queues also allow one to make very clear what one's opinion about a question is: a question is worth keeping open, a question should be closed, a question is worth reopening, a question is worth keeping closed, etc. This level of nuance in opinion is not available as part of the everyday usage of the site; I could +1 something but still VTC it, for example.

Why isn't the front page of the site more amenable to nuanced opinions? Well, frankly, that's just too much information for the average user. But a power user, someone who's been around for a minute, can tell that some questions aren't what they seem at first blush. That's why we have /review -- it's an earned privilege to participate in that space, and it asks reviewers to be more nuanced (and thoughtful) in their choices. The main pages don't allow for that kind of evaluation in the same way.

So, no, simply voting to close on main cannot constitute a /review task. It's not a 1:1 mapping -- the two are in no way synonymous.

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  • This notion that the review queue is more "nuanced" that the regular page is new to me; I have no idea where that came from. I frequently click through to a question from the review page because the review interface is limiting. I don't see why a user who goes through homepage posts cleaning things up is somehow less than a user who goes through review posts cleaning things up – Michael Mrozek Apr 5 '13 at 19:11
  • I can't say I'm particularly good at dealing with the bombardment of questions greatly varying in quality that is the review queue. I often skip like 3/4 of them because I feel they require domain knowledge I don't have or that they're simply what I consider borderline cases (and this is after wasting some time per question). But I still like to help when I have time, so in comes a custom order that gives questions that have 4 close votes, so mostly less borderline. So no badge for me. – Bernhard Barker Apr 5 '13 at 19:19
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    @Dukeling: heh... /review/close already prioritizes questions with more close votes, so you're kinda just duplicating functionality there. And it's not like 4 people can't still be wrong... There's nothing wrong with just skipping questions you don't feel qualified to evaluate, but might I suggest you use the filter to limit your reviews to tags you feel you have a good amount of familiarity with? – Shog9 Apr 5 '13 at 19:21
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    That's an angry -1 from me. Voting to close outside the review queue is a review task (in the sense that you are reviewing content), the only difference with the "normal" review tasks is that it's thankless. Even if this was a ploy to get the badges, so what? It's about time we give a badge to close voters, we give badges for everything these days. Visit an election page, get a badge. Visit the about page, get a badge. Close a question, and all you can hope to get is someone raging at you in comments or Meta. – yannis Apr 5 '13 at 19:28
  • @Shog9 I should note that I don't just close all questions that have 4 close votes. I give them all a fair review (and still skip where appropriate). They just have a habit of being worse quality than those I typically encounter in the review queue. Spending +-90% of my review time on borderline questions (in the review queue) is frustrating (and I can't identify borderline ahead of time), this time is much less with my new-found custom ordering. I tried specifying tags, but that only made it worse, since questions in my domain knowledge are typically more borderline. – Bernhard Barker Apr 5 '13 at 19:28
  • @Dukeling: Note that you can filter the queues by tags if domain knowledge is a problem. – Manishearth Apr 5 '13 at 19:29
  • I disagree with that. Monitoring the questions on the main site and cv'ing/flagging them from there is as much a review task as using the review queue. It's just a different queue. I know that this is the primary mode of doing quality control of the php cv-ring. They are much more efficient keeping the crap from the php tag away than they would when using the actual review queue. – Gordon Apr 5 '13 at 19:29
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    ...and since you've already put me in rage mode, why don't mod actions count towards the review badges? :< – yannis Apr 5 '13 at 19:33
  • @Dukeling: don't forget, in /review you have the ability to respond with "leave open" as well if a question isn't all that bad - which contributes toward marking a question as reviewed and thus eligible for vote-aging. This can take significantly more "reviewers" on the normal question page, since there it's based on views... – Shog9 Apr 5 '13 at 19:38
  • @Shog9 I know about "leave open". Note that borderline questions are not viable for "leave open". I think this functionality on the close window of the normal questions page would be cool, but I suppose there are reasons for not including this. This would also make it more review-task-y. – Bernhard Barker Apr 5 '13 at 19:41
  • I don't get a badge for reading and responding to these comments either, @Yannis. The badges are there to encourage stepping outside of your comfort zone a bit, focusing on areas that have traditionally been overlooked. The idea of a badge for closing is a bit different (but not new - see: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/25053/…). – Shog9 Apr 5 '13 at 19:44
  • If I'm not horribly mistaken you are not volunteering your time @Shog9. – yannis Apr 5 '13 at 19:45
  • @Shog9: Leave open is useful to get the reveiw badge w/o burning all close-votes ;) – hakre Apr 5 '13 at 19:46
  • Ploy to get badges? Not really ... or maybe. Basically I'd just like to get badges for things I do that other people get badges for doing (which I don't get simply because I do it in a slightly different way). – Bernhard Barker Apr 5 '13 at 19:54
  • If you're tired of moderating, @Yannis - just let me know. If you're volunteering for something that makes you unhappy you should stop. – Shog9 Apr 5 '13 at 19:55

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