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This revision log doesn't make sense to me:

https://stackoverflow.com/posts/6497098/revisions

As I understand it: The OP asked question, then OP found a solution by himself and edited the question, adding the solution (which wasn't smart, I agree).

Then the moderator deleted the solution (which is OK) but instead of adding it as an answer, he closed the question. Now the solution will be very hard to find.

That doesn't make sense to me.

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    Adding the solution in the question doesn't help. That's not where it goes. If the person answered his own question, he should add an answer. – Rocket Hazmat Feb 12 '14 at 15:37
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    My point is that the moderator made it hard to find the solution. A solution in the question is better than no solution at all. And now, the OP can't post the solution in the correct place anymore since the question is closed. – Aaron Digulla Feb 12 '14 at 15:44
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    The moderator made it hard to find the "solution" because he felt that the "solution" was not high quality and was not posted as an answer. The community of SO is free to reopen the question and then anyone can post an answer (or that answer/solution as an answer, not inside the question.) – ypercubeᵀᴹ Feb 13 '14 at 14:42
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The question at issue here was posted a long time ago, and the poster of it has not been here since September of last year. There had been attempts to ask the user to post their solution as an answer, but they did not respond to those, despite having been here since.

I could have posted an answer, but considering the question, I did not. The question was basically a requirement and a very vague description of what did not work, and the answer was mostly just a code dump.

The final result appeared to count for being closed for the reason I did. I'm not at all against it being reopened by the community and answered then, though.


Also, incidentally; my actions were taken in the course of handling flags for moderator attention.

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    +1 for community reopening it. That's why the question is "on hold," and not deleted. – Kermit Feb 12 '14 at 16:21
  • @FreshPrinceOfSO Precisely! :) – Andrew Barber Feb 12 '14 at 16:21
  • First of all, many people don't know what specifically to ask. So the first question often is broad but an expert will quickly see what the real problem is. This approach allows other people to find answers by using broad search terms. In this respect, I didn't think the question as "broad". He listed all the technologies he used and what he tried and that he just wanted an example. ... – Aaron Digulla Feb 12 '14 at 16:49
  • Secondly, why didn't you copy the code into the answer instead of deleting it? Now we have to vote to reopen the question before we can answer it :-( – Aaron Digulla Feb 12 '14 at 16:49
  • Thirdly, the code dump contains the correct answer. It's more than strictly necessary but at least it's correct. Now, we have nothing. – Aaron Digulla Feb 12 '14 at 16:50
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    @AaronDigulla First of all, Stack Overflow did not invent asking good questions. We just are picky that people do it. Secondly, there was no existing answer, and the answer was not mine to post. Thirdly, it's not more than strictly necessary, IMO; it's less. We're not here to be a code-dump repository, but a place where people learn how to solve problems. Nothing about that question or answer does that, in my opinion. – Andrew Barber Feb 12 '14 at 16:52
  • Moderation is about weighting goals. You destroyed knowledge. Looking at the age of the question, I think OP never intended to edit the question and make it look as you wanted. Using Google, I couldn't find a single place left with the information you deleted. Taking all that into account, I feel strongly that you did a bad job this time. – Aaron Digulla Feb 13 '14 at 9:40
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    @AaronDigulla "I think OP never intended to edit the question and make it look as you wanted" That's actually the biggest reason I did what I did. I understand your disagreement with what I did, and appreciate your constructive way of bringing it up. That said; your post here has brought attention to it, and could result in the issue being 'fixed'. – Andrew Barber Feb 13 '14 at 14:07
  • I thought of a couple of answers but everything was basically just an insult. I hate what you did, I disagree with your reasons and I feel like I'm wasting my time here. – Aaron Digulla Feb 13 '14 at 15:15
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    @AaronDigulla Well, I do appreciate your self-control there, sincerely. I can see you are very frustrated and disagree very strongly with what was done. I respect that, and I am truly sorry you feel your time was wasted. You have made a very impassioned plea. – Andrew Barber Feb 13 '14 at 15:20
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The question shouldn't contain the solution. The moderator acted correctly in removing the solution. The OP should have placed their solution in an answer. It seems to me that the moderator then made a judgment call to close the question as too broad. Alternatively, the moderator could have asked the OP to place their solution in an answer if it wasn't too broad of a question.

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    The question is too broad...the only question that remains is "should the moderator have posted the solution as answer before closing it" which I'd answer with "no". – Time Traveling Bobby Feb 12 '14 at 15:41
  • The question isn't too broad. It's specific to the point. This feels like "Oh, i don't understand what this guy is talking about, so i just close it" – Aaron Digulla Feb 12 '14 at 15:42
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    @AaronDigulla That's your opinion. The moderator has experience with making these types of judgments. In my opinion, if the question can be more specific (in this case, I think so), then it's probably too broad. – Kermit Feb 12 '14 at 15:45
  • I would have preferred the moderator to wait for the OP to fix the question. Now the question is closed and OP can't do anything anymore. – Aaron Digulla Feb 12 '14 at 15:47
  • The wording could be better but the question just asks: "How do I test a link with an onclick event handler?" Please explain to me how that could fit any definition of "broad". – Aaron Digulla Feb 12 '14 at 15:48
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    @AaronDigulla The purpose of closing questions is to provide an opportunity for their author to fix them. Saying that the author can't do anything once it is closed is completely false. He can make the question more specific if he wants it to be reopened. – Servy Feb 12 '14 at 15:50
  • @Servy: Please be careful with your wording. A closed question can't be edited anymore. The question here is on hold. It might eventually be closed but it's not currently. That said, I had to read up on "on hold" in the help center before I understood the difference. I'll check in a few days to see how well that works in this case. – Aaron Digulla Feb 12 '14 at 15:55
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    @AaronDigulla: it might have confused you, but being on hold vs closed changes nothing in regards to whether you can edit your question or not. It's just using "soft wording" to make people do something about their posts. You can still edit posts if they are closed -- only if it's locked then you won't be able to edit it. – Qantas 94 Heavy Feb 12 '14 at 15:58
  • @AaronDigulla The next step after a question is closed is for it to be deleted. The on hold period gives OP the opportunity to improve their question, at which point the question can be voted to reopen. – Kermit Feb 12 '14 at 15:59
  • @AaronDigulla And yet I somehow managed to edit the question just now, despite it being closed. – Servy Feb 12 '14 at 16:00
  • @FreshPrinceOfSO: One minor thing: There is already a comment that asks OP to put the answer in the correct place. My guess right now is that they can't because the answer is on hold. – Aaron Digulla Feb 12 '14 at 16:13
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    @AaronDigulla or, they just don't care because they no longer have that problem. – user400654 Feb 12 '14 at 16:20
  • @KevinB: Is that a good enough reason to destroy knowledge? – Aaron Digulla Feb 13 '14 at 9:41
  • @AaronDigulla It's not really adding any value since the website is optimized (SEO) around the question being upvoted and answered. I don't understand why it's so difficult to follow the QA format. – Kermit Feb 13 '14 at 14:16
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    Not sure where you're getting your facts.. 1.) OP has 5 questions; the question you're referencing was asked on Jun 27 '11 and their last visit was on Sep 16 '13. 2) Giving someone a few months to fix a problem is completely unrealistic. If you wish to grant "a few months" to fix their problem, then you must also grant 3 months for someone to answer the question. Lastly, this question does not fit the criteria of "knowledge" to me. What benefit will future visitors have? Will they understand what the OP is asking, or be left confused because it's unclear? – Kermit Feb 13 '14 at 14:35

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