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The peer pressure badge awards users for deleting their own bad post.

Some users like to game the system. Just recently, I saw a post where a user posted an intentionally bad question. The user later declared that this was because they wanted the peer pressure badge.

Although I realise that abuse alone is not a good reason to remove something, I really don't think the peer pressure badge adds anything good to the system.

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I disagree. One purpose of badges is to teach users about good actions to do on the site. While posting a bad question is, well, bad, deleting it is still good.

The number of people who post bad questions just to delete them is vanishingly small. But the number of people who don't delete because they may not have known they could or should is probably higher.

The badge almost certainly provides a net positive to the site, despite the single outlier you've found

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    They already get rewarded for deletion by no longer losing reputation through down-votes.
    – gerrit
    May 8 '14 at 20:52
  • Yes, but they may not be aware of that fact. This helps teach them
    – mhlester
    May 8 '14 at 20:53
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    I've used SE for years and I've been aware of losing reputation through down-votes for years, but this is the first time I find out about the peer pressure badge.
    – gerrit
    May 8 '14 at 20:54
  • Sorry, I meant they may not be aware they can get it back.
    – mhlester
    May 8 '14 at 20:55
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    Actually, deleting a downvoted question isn't always good. The user should try to edit it to improve it. Deleting downvoted questions can lead you to be question banned
    – Lamak
    May 9 '14 at 15:56
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    @Lamak, I could definitely get behind a new badge for negative score -> edited -> positive score. that said, the site itself still benefits from deleting a bad post (questions, but even moreso answers), even if there is an individual risk to a post ban
    – mhlester
    May 9 '14 at 15:58
  • @mhlester You mean a new badge?, that could be interesting. And I agree with you in the benefit of the site, just clarifying about the motivation for the badge
    – Lamak
    May 9 '14 at 15:59
  • yup, badge. that's obviously what i said and i totally didn't go back and ninja edit my comment
    – mhlester
    May 9 '14 at 16:00
  • You call it "teaching", I call it "punishing". In fact, this "badge" is an euphemism, in fact it is a humiliation
    – user195006
    Apr 28 '15 at 8:04
  • @Frozen you think having the badge is a punishment? You think anyone cares to even look at your profile and see that you got the badge and laugh at you? Jesus. I've got the badge. So what? Nobody cares. Move on.
    – mhlester
    Apr 28 '15 at 8:11
  • @mhlester that whole badge system is questionable at all. The motivation to write here should not be virtual badges.
    – user195006
    Apr 28 '15 at 9:20
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It does add something though. It informs new users that it is both possible to delete a bad post, if they feel it is not salvageable, and it teaches them that when they can't salvage a post it's actually a good thing to delete it.

We of course don't see the benefits of this very often. They're invisible; that's the whole point. There is a lot of garbage that we aren't seeing because people learned to take it out themselves.

Yes, this does get abused in which people create garbage just so that they can get credit for picking it up. Fortunately, this doesn't happen all that often, when it does happen, at least they picked up the garbage, and finally there is only ever an incentive for this (mostly benign) abuse once per account. If users were going around creating lots and lots of trash over and over, just to later delete it, it would become disruptive. As it is, the very rare abuses simply aren't that significant or disruptive.

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Another solution could be to change the action that triggers the peer pressure badge. Rather than having "Delete an answer with -3 score" which encourages deleting bad content / posting bad content because you can delete it, I would recommend changing it to become "Have an answer with a score of -3 and edit to improve it causing the score to rise to +1" (shortening that is encouraged). This new statement brings a completely different perspective -- rather than delete content (note: some content isn't salvageable), it encourages users to improve and edit their answers which I feel is what the SE sites are encouraging.

I understand that peer pressure tries to teach people how to use the site, but it is very possible that people see the wrong reason behind earning the badge -- it is not about delete anything that someone does not like, its about getting rid of content that is completely irrelevant / you posted by accident (i.e. misunderstanding a question and posting an answer that does not meet the restraints in the question; sometimes that happens, but once again, I am definitely not encouraging you to go do that).

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  • +1 for sure. This should be a new feature request so it doesn't get lost
    – mhlester
    Mar 17 '15 at 6:38

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