Related: Moderators should have the check-box to show/hide removed posts on user reputation pages (Follow-on)

We have a user (Hi Janos) who deleted an answer yesterday. They also managed to cap their reputation as well. When regular users inspect the profile of that user they see:


Regular View

The user himself sees the exact same thing.

As a moderator, I see NOTE THE 142 AT THE TOP:

Moderator view

The user reports that their text-based /reputation page shows 260 for yesterday.

Where's the bug? I presume the moderator page is incorrectly calculating the day's rep. I have confirmed that other mods on the site also see 142 as the rep.

Note that the user-graphs are also affected by this:

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  • The user should see the removed entry in their rep history as well. Unless they have that checkbox turned off.. – Martijn Pieters Oct 24 '14 at 21:59
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    @MartijnPieters But how much did the user gain yesterday? That should show the same for everyone, should it not? – Simon Forsberg Oct 24 '14 at 22:00
  • @SimonAndréForsberg: they gained 260 from votes, etc. but the reputation gained before from that post is no longer there from the moment it is deleted, so they also lost 118 points (as if they had never earned it). – Martijn Pieters Oct 24 '14 at 22:03
  • That's not true, though @MartijnPieters - their /reputation text-page shows 260 for the day, and they had numerous 'no-score' upvotes after the deletion too. – rolfl Oct 24 '14 at 22:04
  • @MartijnPieters Should the total for the day show +260 or +118 ? +260 seems more reasonable to me. – Simon Forsberg Oct 24 '14 at 22:04
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    @rolfl: that's because the deletion entry is only informative. The actual effect of the deletion is to nullify the original votes. The deletion does not affect the reputation cap for that day, because none of the reputation now gone was earned that day. – Martijn Pieters Oct 24 '14 at 22:04
  • @SimonAndréForsberg: you have the choice; hide removed entries by toggling the checkbox. – Martijn Pieters Oct 24 '14 at 22:05

This is not a bug. You are seeing removed entries, which are entries in the log to inform you that a post was removed and what the net effect is of the removal. The total at the top reflects the daily reputation change including that net effect.

The user sees the exact same thing depending on a checkbox. There is a little checkbox at the bottom of the reputation page that says show removed posts.

If it is off, the user sees what other users see, +260 (provided they didn't downvote any answers). If it is on, they see what moderators see, the removed line, and their reputation change reflects the deletion. The UI will show them they gained +142 for the day.

Remember that deletion of a post results in nullification of the original votes that gave the reputation. It is as if the original votes were never cast; any effect on the reputation cap on previous days of those votes is also re-calculated. The removed entry in yesterday's reputation log is only there as an informative entry to let you know at what time the deletion took effect, and what the net reputation result was.

  • Does the deletion affect the reputation cap for the day when the deleted reputation was actually earned? – janos Oct 24 '14 at 22:06
  • Moderators doesn't have that checkbox though, which (to me) is more about what this question is about - the moderator aspect of things. – Simon Forsberg Oct 24 '14 at 22:07
  • @janos: yes. The votes are no longer there, so any votes that were pushing you over the cap on days in the past will now no longer do so. Other votes that were capped may now take their place, of course. – Martijn Pieters Oct 24 '14 at 22:09
  • What do you mean, "moderators doesn't have that checkbox" @simon? They should - I do, and I don't recall doing anything special there. Tell 'em to scroll all the way down... – Shog9 Oct 24 '14 at 23:06
  • @Shog9 - I have it on my own page, but not on any other user's page. Regardless, I would expect the daily rep total to be accurate. – rolfl Oct 24 '14 at 23:20
  • @rolfl it is accurate. The votes are correctly capped; the deleted votes were not cast on the day the post was deleted, so why should they lower the cap? The user still have their 20+ upvotes that day, regardless of the delete. – Martijn Pieters Oct 24 '14 at 23:22
  • @MartijnPieters - which vote count is accurate? 142 or 260? And, the daily total should reflect the daily total, whichever one that is. One of them has to be wrong. – rolfl Oct 24 '14 at 23:23
  • @rolfl '260' is not a vote count. It is a reputation delta. That day the reputation changed by 142 points through various events. One of those events was the deletion of a post, which triggered the nullification of votes cast earlier in the users timeline. – Martijn Pieters Oct 24 '14 at 23:32
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    @Shog9 - moderators have no checkbox – rolfl Oct 24 '14 at 23:32
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    MartijnPieters - no, that day, reputation changed by 260, not 142, and moderators see the wrong value. It's a bug, despite @shog saying it's a bug-by-design. – rolfl Oct 24 '14 at 23:34
  • @rolfl if the checkbox is disabled all voting for that deleted post is removed from the user reputation history too; earlier +10 votes for that post will be no longer be listed. With the checkbox on those votes become visible again and you see the moment in time those votes for the deleted post effectively became null and void. – Martijn Pieters Oct 24 '14 at 23:34
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    Well, we clearly disagree, and since I have no way of seeing a person's reputation for the day, it's a problem. – rolfl Oct 24 '14 at 23:35
  • @rolfl you can't have it both ways; the now-nullified votes visible in the user history and the deletion not having an impact. Then the books don't balance. This way the daily reputation changes add up properly to the current total reputation. – Martijn Pieters Oct 24 '14 at 23:37
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    Let us continue this discussion in chat. – rolfl Oct 24 '14 at 23:37
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    @Shog9 the real issue here then is that rofl wants that checkbox so as to see what the user sees when they have that checkbox disabled. And that makes this a dupe of casperOne's feature request. – Martijn Pieters Oct 25 '14 at 0:13

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