I understand your frustration.
I was frustrated by some things when I first came here.
However, the difference is I didn't rant away to millions of users believing they must surely be wrong and I am right, because I was new.
Yes, now I happily disagree with others, regulars or moderators, but, politely and not being a doink about it.
I cannot comment on your question as you have not linked to it.
If it is this one then your frustration comes because you do not know how the site works, and have not spent any time looking around at how things work.
Arguably those who commented could have spent more time assisting you and explaining in more detail what you should or could do.
And had your first comment response been "humble" or even just "friendly" in the slightest way you may likely have received some additional help.
Instead, as a completely new user to a massive website with quite specific rules (member for 4 days), you immediately jumped to your own defense, and even attacked the advice you were given.
Sure, contest it even if you are a new user, but don't outright expect you are more knowledgeable than other seasoned users.
This is your first comment, which I've commented to below:
Please clarify what isn't clear
Your question is not clear.
It's fine if you want to contest this, however as with most sites, most things in life actually, there are official procedures to do so.
Your question was closed by two users. One with 11,250 reputation and member for 2.25 years, and the other a moderator who even without moderator status is also of exceptional standing with 102,745 reputation and member for 5.3 years.
That does not make them automatically right, but it stands for a load more experience and knowledge of the site, tags, and what is acceptable than yourself with 1 reputation and member for 4 days.
instead of vaguely designating the help center
But the Help Center is where you need to be, to learn a bit more about the site.
Again, had your initial response not been angry, defensive, and telling long standing users and a moderator why they are wrong, you might have received more useful and friendly info.
As it was so negative, users then had to begin to respond to your "negativity" instead of what should have been "Ok, can I have some advice then please".
As it stands, according to your logic
No, the logic of the site rules and requirements.
There are 4.2 million users on Stack Overflow alone, so rules and keeping things inline is paramount to ensure the site retains high standards.
any time anyone asks a question here it can be legitimately closed
because maybe the questioner is asking how to use the software they
I believe your question is not entirely clear.
Had you taken the first bit of friendly advice and read the Help Center, you'd have learned that "On-Hold" and "Closed" do not mean "game over".
You can edit your question, improve it, and add more tags if necessary.
Ultimately flagging it to be "re-opened".
In fact, what I'm asking seems to fit very well with the scope defined
in the help center: It relates to "software tools commonly used by
programmers; and is a practical, answerable problem that is unique to
software development." Even in Excel this is not an intuitively known
You are trying to use rules against us, but firstly, how is Excel used "commonly by programmers"?
Second, the site allowing "software tools commonly used by programmers" has no real bearing on you asking about a Google Spreadsheet.
The fact is, the Help Center is not a complete manual of how to use every aspect of the site. It's a "guide" on what is allowed, what is not, and how to "generally" use the site.
Your question here
In most of life, if you are friendly to others they'll be friendly back.
If you come barging in to a new group of people you do not know who have rules and requirements, and start moaning immediately because you do not understand how things work, then you will simply receive negativity back and no warm welcome.
StackExchange wasting time of newcomers, not the other way around
Before people have even seen your question and plea you insult them and are negative, arguably boisterous.
In my humble newbie opinion, the premises that I have to be aware of
to question, comment or answer here, are many and complicated.
It is a larger learning curve here than a forum, or other sites, but the benefits are reaped once you settle in and learn the ways.
If you already know this, why do you not feel you have a learning curve?
If they are, as you stated "many and complicated" why have you argued against long standing users instead of taking their advice?
Immediately upon asking a question, I am throttled with downvotes,
edits and comments implying my irresponsibility
To be fair, I would bet your many downvotes are most certainly from your attitude.
I cannot see why you would otherwise have received 13 downvotes and not a single up vote for such a question.
It was just off topic and all you needed was to take advice, and fix the question.
I've seen spam or really rude questions get less downvotes than yours.
It was your "hostile" attitude which users will not tolerate, and rightly so.
I should have rigorously read every word of the tour and other rules
that are themselves irresponsibly interspersed throughout the website.
They are not. I would suggest your unfamiliarity of the site is the reason you state this.
The Help Center and Tour links are quite easy to find and visible for those who are willing to find them.
The fact is, I made a true effort to do my due diligence before asking
a question on the paradoxically oh so easy for newbies to locate and
misuse 'Ask Question' tab.
If you did this, then this is a fair point.
However, the Help Center/Tour are not "manuals", they are simple guides.
You will still need to "settle in" and feel your way around a bit.
The advice you received was simply what you needed to do, about tags and it being unclear.
Again, all you had to do was politely ask "what next" and someone would have kindly told you how to edit and re-open etc.
As I'm arguing myself out of the mire I have created for myself in my
great carelessness in the comments section, which is overseen by the
oh so vigilant half of 'helpers' here who love to alternate between
helping and criticizing
But you stated yourself right there "the mire I have created for myself in my great carelessness in the comments section". Yes this is the very problem.
People will not help ranters, or users who come across as argumentative and ungrateful.
So they are not "alternating between helping and criticizing" they are trying to help, then defending themselves and the site against your attacks.
You have to understand, this is a massive site and given the plethora of questions asked every hour, we cannot spend time helping ever new person who simply needs to pop off for a bit and do a bit of reading.
You are the one wanting some help, so please ask nicely, and within the requirements of the site.
There are many questions closed every hour, probably one every few mins across all tags.
This is the way the site works, because it's not just some forum where people can ask away the same old thing with no quality control - there are higher standards here.
And once you see this, you will benefit from it as you will also receive help back though answers within those higher standards.
pedantically paying attention to the perceived technical wrongs of the
wording and not seeing the context, the thread of comments suddenly
disappears without warning.
The question needs addressing. It is your job to do that as the question owner - or someone else could, but given your attitude that was not likely to happen.
So, you see, the comments are subject to sudden removal, without any
additional process, without prior warning.
Same for you, and me, and the other 4.2 million users. Do you have some reason this is not a good idea?
You are new here, and these things might seem odd, but once you are familiar with things you will agree on most of the rules - at least the main ones which you are currently debating.
Wait, I don't have 20 rep yet so I can't even enter a chat [removed
the usual new user rant about how they cannot comment until 50 rep or
enter chat rooms]
Same for you, and me, and the other 4.2 million users.
And it's like this for very good reasons. Reasons many new comers do not know about or understand. It will become clear if you give the site a chance :)
What's that? If my question has any validity, it has been posted in
the wrong sub-site! Oh how lazy I must be! The energy it must have
taken the commenter to write that! If only I used as much energy it
took the commenter to write the kind advice, to transpose my question
to a new site!
Well, now you're just ranting away and I have nothing to comment on pointless and empty arguments.
In conclusion: For a forum whose experienced users (who transform into
vetters at will) regularly bemoan the wrongs of the newcomers, I see
it differently. The way I see it, a forum touting its utility sucks in
users and when the newbies ask questions they are met with unwarranted
Forum? You seem to think this is some forum. This is Stack, not only different to a forum, but better for many reasons if you want a clear answer to a straight question.
If you want to debate and discuss your requirements, then this is not the site for that and a forum is better for that.
The way I see it is "newbies" come and ask questions without the proper knowledge of using the site.
The site responds in the same way it treats every one (I have 7,000 rep here and have had questions closed recently). This model is to ensure quality and a high standard, otherwise we're just some other forum, where there's no "serious" quality control or rules to adhere to.
Then we end up as a "Yahoo answers".
because until you receive your objectively valued rep points you don't
deserve to be given the benefit of the doubt as to your efforts prior
to the question.
"Benefit of the doubt"?
We earn trust in life, we prove "our" abilities.
Do you just get given a car and drivers license willy nilly on the basis of "benefit of the doubt"?
Can you wander into your works CEO office whenever you want?
Rules are everywhere, they are needed to instill and retain order.
You do not get into chat rooms until 20 rep as otherwise every new user without knowledge of the site etc would head there and rant, or spam, etc.
Oh, and let us not forget, this question will be deleted, because I
must specifically formulate my griping into a question form, even
though that could be done quietly in the head of the reader, otherwise
it won't be methodological and formulaic enough for the robots of
tomorrow to understand.
In other words, you want us to allow you to rant and moan away and we take it on the chin?
Nope. You are the new one here who has to learn the rules and how the site works.
You cannot blame us in any way that there is a learning curve. The site's offer complex benefits, and with that comes rules and systems, including limited usage and privileges until you earn them.
People will welcome you and give you any advice they can.
But you have to be civil.
I won't even be given a second chance to reformulate my material as it
disappears into the ether, unless I made a copy of my words first on
my own accord.
Yet more false statements.
It's still here, as is your question on Stack Overflow.
Both available to be edited, resolved, a change in attitude and the entire situation reversed and resolved.
And I thought there was no shame in asking for help. Oh sweet
Ah, you're back to rants with empty arguments fueled by stress and frustration.
Will leave it there then...
Give it some time to settle in. Take some friendly advice and feedback.
I suggest you go comment on that question and apologise for your outburst, and ask politely what you can do next.
You "might" receive a snide remark, this is a site with "users" not company owners, but I bet you will most certainly receive some help if you show willing!