I recently wrote an answer on an SE site. Voting and comments got a bit heated and I posted a comment that was not "nice". It was on my own answer and had no mentions, so nobody got pinged. After ten seconds thinking about it, I deleted the whole answer. I was assuming the whole thing was gone (or only accessible to 10K privilege users) including all comments, because in my UI seeing the thread, it was this nice red box that you probably know. Deleted content.

Meanwhile, the comment itself was probably not marked "deleted" in the database. Because following the programming, it wasn't, the answer was.

This means that if a moderator were to pull up the list of all comments I posted in the mod tools, they'd see the comment as if it were still "live" on the post.

This leads to the fact that mods see my "offensive" comment as active, not deleted in their view... while I am perfectly happy having "deleted" it after 13 seconds.

Please improve the mod tools so that mods and I share the same view on content. If I delete something that basically lets the comment vanish, this should be clearly visible in the mod view. Some indication in the comments list that while the comment may be not deleted, its parent post is.

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  • So just that I understand: If I have 10K on RPG can I still see that offensive comment? – rene May 23 '17 at 11:34
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    When the answer is deleted, the commend isn't really deleted - if you undelete the answer, the comment will still be there. – Mithical May 23 '17 at 11:38
  • @rene Well... yes, because I deleted the answer. Right now, no you cannot, because I asked a mod to delete the comment "even more" so it's not just "gone" but "really gone". I understand the DB logic behind it, with answer and comment being different entities with their respective states of deletion, but if it's marked red for me as 10K user in the UI, it should show the mods that this comment is no longer active. – nvoigt May 23 '17 at 11:41
  • @Mithrandir I know and understand the programming logic behind it. But my point is that somebody is holding a comment against me, that I tried to delete and that was shown as deleted to me in my UI... only to find out that the mod UI still shows it as active. Show the mod that this comment is no longer accessible to the regular user. – nvoigt May 23 '17 at 11:43
  • Moderators also see the deleted answers/questions with the same red-ish background as you do. If you didn't delete the comment, they will see it same way you see it. Really no idea what you are asking here. – Shadow Keeps Social Distance May 23 '17 at 11:44
  • The comment was not shown as deleted. The answer was shown as deleted. And if a mod/you/(20kers? don't remember) undeletes the answer, the comment is shown even to the regular user. – Mithical May 23 '17 at 11:46
  • @Mithrandir I guess you don't get my point: right now the answer and all comments are deleted content. So right now the mods should not see any of those comments as "active". Should I undelete it, then sure, hold my accountable for what is then visible. But don't hold me accountable, for content that I have to assume is not visible. – nvoigt May 23 '17 at 11:48
  • Did any of you actually read the linked comment thread between the mod and me? I'm sorry I cannot describe this better, I cannot see it. It's supposed to be a part of the mod tools. – nvoigt May 23 '17 at 11:49
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    I did look at the picture. And those comments are not deleted. This is what deleted comments look like. – Mithical May 23 '17 at 12:05
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    Those comments having a "red background" is a consequence of being attached to a deleted post. They are not deleted; at least not in the way that comments are deleted. Site moderators can see specifically-deleted comments, as well. But that's pretty much beside the point. (Also, you don't seem to be concerned about your ability to read the comments by Clarus_Nox and mxyzplk in that picture. You're not even a site moderator and you can read others' "deleted" comments!) – user642796 May 23 '17 at 12:18
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    @nvoigt Oh, sorry - I was referring to the post view itself. My bad. I misunderstood what you were going for, then. In that tool... yeah, that sounds like a decent idea. I'm not 100% sure it's easily doable (we don't query the posts in that view, just the comments), but it's worth exploring. – Adam Lear May 23 '17 at 15:24
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    @nvoigt I'm gonna attempt an edit to your post here to describe what you're requesting in more direct terms. :) – Adam Lear May 23 '17 at 15:28
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    This makes more sense now. I've retracted my unclear vote, reversed my downvote, and deleted my answer. So this is on the comments view, which currently shows no context about the post from which the comments came (in particular, whether the post itself was deleted), hence the issue. Right? cc @AdamLear – Jason C May 23 '17 at 15:40
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    For reference, the mod tool output looks like this: i.stack.imgur.com/R7svt.png. (cc @JasonC) – Adam Lear May 23 '17 at 15:43
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    Well that was quite the turnaround. There's got to be a badge or a hat in here somewhere... – Jason C May 23 '17 at 16:33

As a moderator I've been tripped up by this too. It would be really helpful if the "all comments from this user" view in the mod tools could indicate somehow that a comment, while not deleted, is nonetheless not visible. Since we also get the post ID, it'd be sufficient to decorate that somehow (e.g. red background), which avoids having to come up with a way to represent a third comment state. (Also, this might be easier than doing something to individual comments.)

When mods notice a pattern of inappropriate comments from a user, we use that page to see what else might need to be cleaned up. That's one of the reasons that page exists. When we see something in that list of comments that looks problematic we need to go to the page to see if it's on a live or deleted post -- not ideal for users with lots of comments. (And on some sites, boy do people like to post lots of comments!)

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