With the ongoing discussions about commenting standards, and about being welcoming in general, a point I've seen raised a couple of times is the hostility and defensiveness that we sometimes see from new users.
They don't want to read the tour. They don't want to be told the rules. They don't want to hear why what they posted is off-topic based on meta discussion.
They just want the codez/answer/chatty discussion they were looking for.
This sometimes plays out in the following fashion:
- New user posts a bad question
- Question receives downvotes
- Experienced user attempts to help by leaving constructive comment telling new user what they should do differently to fix the question
- New user posts frustrated, or perhaps even hostile comments that not only don't fix the question, but make experienced users feel attacked
- More downvotes appear on the question
- New user escalates complaints
I'm not sure how often this scenario plays out, but I've seen it more times than I can count.
Others have commented on the hostility from new users, as well. For example:
I think a better use of time would be discouraging hostility from new users when they encounter enforcement of quality standards. There'd be a ton less snark if there was valid recourse against the new users who just don't care and want their question answered, quality be damned. As it stands, they have no skin in the game, so they're free to be as hostile and rude as they want. And all we can do is take it
If your house has a sign outside that says "Do not track mud in", because you want to keep it clean so that it's a nice environment for everyone who uses it; and someone walks in tracking mud, and you ask them if they read the sign, and they say "Lol no didn't bother"... are you not going to be in the slightest bit peeved?
Are you not, perhaps, going to respond to the rude mud-tracker with a somewhat snarky comment?
As I understand the privileges for comments, new users are able to comment on posts they "own"; i.e. the questions they ask, and any answers they create. Once they get to 50 reputation, they can comment elsewhere.
Presumably, the benefit to allowing them to comment on their own posts is to provide clarification in response to requests for such from other users. But if the new user does provide additional information, shouldn't that be edited into the question/answer?
Sure, new users may not realize that they can edit this way, but is giving them the ability to do it "the wrong way", so that a more experienced user can take the information from their comment and edit it into their post for them, gaining us anything?
Why not just force them to edit the information directly into the question or answer themselves?
Are there any other benefits to allowing <50 rep users to comment at all?