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I have searched to see if there was any post about this but the only thing I could find was this answer explaining what Meta is, and it still suggests that Meta is supposed to be used for asking questions, not advertising new features or announcing new community managers.

For example, how is this a question?

Why should someone get 1460 (292*5) points for "asking" it?

We then have people getting 530 (53*10) points just for saying congratulations and nothing else:

Furthermore, and perhaps of most importance, why do we only let these free points for people saying things like "congratulations" go to people that already have 10 points reputation (see image below)?

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    @SonictheInclusiveWerehog: You have three times posted a link to a question that was already linked in the first line of my question, in my original version. I find that to be very unwelcoming, like you want to send me away. Where in that "duplicate" question is the answer to "why do we only let these free points for people saying things like "congratulations" go to people that already have 10 points reputation (see image below)?" – user1271772 Sep 30 '18 at 11:49
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    In theory all that "reputation" could be eliminated if those posts get marked as community wiki, if that is your biggest concern. – rene Sep 30 '18 at 11:55
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    @rene, why don't we do that then? It is not my biggest concern though. Isn't this supposed to be a place where we ask questions? Shouldn't announcements go somewhere else? – user1271772 Sep 30 '18 at 11:57
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    They don't have another platform that is so closely tied to the community. Why should they go somewhere else? – rene Sep 30 '18 at 11:59
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    There's a typo in the text. It should be For example, how is this an *answer? The newly appointed manager wrote a fairly lengthy piece, so the upvotes is a quick simple way to say "Well done. We're pleased for you" Likewise the downvotes are there to say "We are not pleased". Are you going to begrudge a new employee getting "upvotes"? However, I agree that answers basically saying "congratulations" should not benefit. – Mari-Lou A Sep 30 '18 at 12:15
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    @Shadow: Can you please not do that? You know that this is not a Dupe, and all you had to do was wait for 1 more person to vote. – user1271772 Sep 30 '18 at 22:40
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    @SonictheInclusiveWerehog how does the original question answer this post? Could you please direct me to the relevant excerpts that explains users, and managers can also use meta for announcements? Thanks. – Mari-Lou A Oct 1 '18 at 8:10
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    @Shadow the Welcoming Wizard how does the original question answer this post? Could you please direct me to the relevant excerpts that explains users, and managers can also use meta for announcements? Thanks. – Mari-Lou A Oct 1 '18 at 8:11
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    @SonictheInclusiveWerehog …it should be… but it's not. Ergo this post is not a duplicate. At least one of the answers on the older post should have included that excerpt "What's Meta?" The "tone" section says, and I quote, "… Meta has a reputation for being more... relaxed than the other Stack Exchange sites. Jokes and non-serious posts that would be swiftly deleted on the other sites have been welcomed here in the past and are sometimes still tolerated today, though not to the degree that they were before.…" It still doesn't answer this question – Mari-Lou A Oct 1 '18 at 8:13
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    @Mari-LouA: Why have they rolled back my edit that was accepted by the community? meta.stackexchange.com/posts/47634/revisions – user1271772 Oct 1 '18 at 8:52
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    @SonictheInclusiveWerehog: so you are saying that the answer to my question is NOT in there? Then why did you vote to close my question as a duplicate? I do not understand why you are allowed to participate in Meta. – user1271772 Oct 1 '18 at 10:25
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    Then what is on topic @SonictheInclusiveWerehog? Announcements about new employees? That's not even a question about stack exchange. It does not fall under the reasons for Meta. It should be posted in a blog and advertised in chat. How could you possibly say that my question is off-topic? And honestly I think you're changing your mind wen you say "off-topic" because originally you voted to close as "duplicate" not as "off-topic". Those are 2 separate close reasons. Thanks for upvoting, but voting to close did not help, it just reassured people who were having second thoughts about driving my – user1271772 Oct 1 '18 at 11:40
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    rep to zero for being a new user trying to ask a good question. Where is the answer to "why do we only let these free points for people saying things like "congratulations" go to people that already have 10 points reputation (see image below)?" ?? If you cannot answer that question, please re-open the question. Is "why do we only let these free points for people saying things like "congratulations" go to people that already have 10 points reputation (see image below)?" off topic ? – user1271772 Oct 1 '18 at 11:41
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    You should be assuming good faith for actions taken. Just because you disagree with them doesn't mean the actions were, "without thinking". As soon as you start throwing around ideas like punishment for actions you disagree with, you're going to see a lot of backlash. Users have earned those privileges; the system trusts them to use them properly. Argue if you disagree, but don't assume you're right. – fbueckert Oct 1 '18 at 15:37
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    Well, if you won't assume good faith, then it's on you to bring something more to the table than your belief. Show us proof. Your disagreement with it isn't proof. When you start tossing around charged words like, "corrupt", you're signalling you're not at all receptive to an actual debate, so less people will be interested in engaging, and will just downvote and move on. – fbueckert Oct 1 '18 at 15:55
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I think @Catija has been a great addition to the ranks of the Community Managers, and I welcomed the announcement of that appointment here on Meta Stack Exchange.

However, with the announcement being made in the area normally used for questions (like it was), I would have preferred to see it tagged permanently with (like it was) and for a few weeks with (like it was), and locked at the outset so that no answers or comments could be posted.

Instead of writing this near the end of the announcement:

Please join us in congratulating Cat in her new role! Questions about the stuff she's going to be working on, or questions in general?

I think it would have been better to write:

For any questions about the stuff Cat's going to be working on, or questions in general, as always, please post a new question here on Meta SE.

  • Why is it okay to put the announcement as a "question" in Meta, rather than in a Blog? Can I use meta to advertise as well? Or to make announcements? Why can employees do it but not regular citizens? The blog is the normal way to make announcements isn't it? – user1271772 Oct 2 '18 at 6:13
  • I'm comfortable with SO choosing whether to use a blog post or Meta SE "question" to make an announcement like this. I don't think that should open the door for any of us to do it. – PolyGeo Oct 2 '18 at 6:21
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There's a reputation limit, so users can only get 200 reputation per day (some exceptions apply). The quoted reputation gained for these questions and answers will not be accurate.

Protection doesn't happen immediately, if something was protected by Community it means that a number of answers have already been posted (29 in this case). Low reputation users could have got the reputation if they'd got in quickly enough.

Reputation on Meta is slightly meaingless anyways... it's here just because this isn't technically a meta site. It's imaginary internet points on a site about the interaction with sites where you gain imaginery internet points. If you participate regularly the reputation will come, whether or not you manage to get the one highly upvoted "Congratulations!!!" answer.


Whether Meta should be used for announcements is quite a contentious issue, especially announcements that are percieved to be social. Generally "questions" about new staff members are left alone, but announcements of new products are often closed multiple times. Meta Stack Overflow is perhaps even harsher.

Whatever your personal opinion, Stack Overflow (the company) has decided to use their platform for announcements. This means that the meta sites throughout the network (but especially Meta Stack Exchange) are used for announcements.

Until Stack Overflow changes their mind announcements will continue to be posted and no extant answer by a regular user will change this fact. The answer should maybe be edited to reflect that announcements might be posted.

  • Can you please remove the link to meta.stackexchange.com/questions/114020/… because it is about political statements, not about social announcements? – user1271772 Sep 30 '18 at 11:58
  • I used the word "social" because that is the word in the title @user1271772. Whether or those announcements are political or not is extremely contentious. They are always social (of or relating to society), whether or not you also believe they're policitical so I'd prefer to leave the wording used in the original question. – ben is uǝq backwards Sep 30 '18 at 12:01
  • okay. The example in my question is about "announcements" of new staff members, and the example in your link is completely different. The fact that your thing is a contentious issue doesn't have much to do with my question, so I edited it. – user1271772 Sep 30 '18 at 12:05
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    Please fix your user name. It is not backwards, it is upside down and backwards ;) – DavidPostill Sep 30 '18 at 12:30
  • You're not the first to make that point @David :-). – ben is uǝq backwards Sep 30 '18 at 12:39
  • So fix it. Rotated != Backwards. – DavidPostill Sep 30 '18 at 12:47
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It still suggests that Meta is supposed to be used for asking questions, not advertising new features or announcing new community managers.

The question references the following answer How do I participate in Meta and not die trying?

That answer explicitly states:

Meta Stack Exchange is a special place for suggestions, bugs, support questions, and discussion about the Stack Exchange sites.

Suggestions, bug reports and discussion are not (explicit) questions. So clearly the site is not limited to only asking questions.

That makes "advertising new features or announcing new community managers." on topic.

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A tool is whatever you need it to be. My dad used to hammer in nails with a pestle for years until we got multiple hammers and insisted he use it.

While traditionally, announcements were made over the blog, it's a bit of a clunky tool at the current point, and to a big extent is more aimed at an external audience than the core user base.

On the other hand, there's this old, almost forgotten diagram:

Intersection of Wiki, Digg/Reddit, Forum, and Blog

...which once resided in the tour page - and that really does reflect meta well - least for many of us, it acts as a community built repository of knowledge (aka a wiki). It's a place for announcements, and acts almost as a secondary blog. While I'd bristle at calling it a forum in the modern sense - it is a place for discussion. Not sure about these Digg/Reddit things.

In a sense, folks at SE found that the 20-lb sledgehammer worked less well for their needs here than one of these:

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By Agolz12 - Own work, CC BY-SA 4.0

It's a multi-purpose tool that does many things. It might not be the best tool for driving in stakes but... that's not what we always need.

So meta is used by Stack Overflow in this way since it's the most efficient way to get information through to the broader Stack Exchange Userbase.

  • The diagram can still be accessed by typing in the Konami code on the tour page. – Sonic the Bracketed Hedgehog Sep 30 '18 at 13:06
  • @Journeyman Greek: It is unfair that people would get reputation for such things though. Can we move these to Community Wiki? – user1271772 Sep 30 '18 at 20:15
  • I suppose a mod/CM could do that. Or individual users. Admittedly it did not cross my mind the last time I posted one of those. I just wanted to be a good sport, and express my happiness. I guess SE is fine with a little appropriate fun? – Journeyman Geek Sep 30 '18 at 20:28
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Why Stack Overflow is allowed to post that kind of questions is explained in the help center and the FAQ link found by @Sonic, and in @ben's answer. Let me focus on

Furthermore, and perhaps of most importance, why do we only let these free points for people saying things like "congratulations" go to people that already have 10 points reputation (see image below)?

On that particular post, there are a few answers which have been deleted:

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Just being able to post the umpteenth variation of 'Congratulations' is not a guarantee for free reputation. In general, on these kind of questions, you have to be quick (the 'fastest gun in the west'), which means you have to be either very lucky or to be here all the time. Guess what, the same users who are here all the time are the ones which already have a lot of reputation. This holds true for every Stack Exchange site in the network, including Meta.

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    What about the other 18 answers all basically saying "congratulations"? A case of jumping on the bandwagon to earn easy rep, or a genuine expression of good will? – Mari-Lou A Sep 30 '18 at 12:49
  • I don't know, I can't read users' minds :) – Glorfindel Sep 30 '18 at 12:52
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    In the meantime another answer hit the dust. I just saw it vanish. Unfortunately, I don't have 10K rep on this site. – Mari-Lou A Sep 30 '18 at 12:54
  • Complete text was "Congratulations ! looking forward to see your lead" @Mari-LouA with a score of -5 - it's the type of answer that'd have normally been deleted at the time. – ben is uǝq backwards Sep 30 '18 at 13:20
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    @benisuǝqbackwards I think it also had two upvotes, maybe they gained another DV when this question was posted. In any case, most of the positive messages could have been summed up in one or two posts. Few users broke the mold and when they did they were castigated heavily until they felt compelled to completely rewrite their post. – Mari-Lou A Sep 30 '18 at 13:23
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    Two upvotes, seven downvotes. I voted to delete it because it does not add any value; that can be said of most answers there, but I can't vote to delete those. – Glorfindel Sep 30 '18 at 13:25
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    You can DV them tho... :P – Mari-Lou A Sep 30 '18 at 13:26
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    Maybe I can, maybe I already did it ... – Glorfindel Sep 30 '18 at 13:27

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