This question may be best way to describe the issue brought up in this question - A new stackexchange for Linux Desktop Environments is needed : Askubuntu is too specific, Unix and Linux is too broad .
That question is not answered by Is there any trace of my closed proposal?. I already went down the path in this other question, and the proposal was still closed because in the admin's opinion, U&L SE already dealt with that. I don't know how long after that the proposal was deleted, but if others have made that proposal before or since, there is no way of knowing that, which makes resolving the issue more difficult. Additionally, when a proposal is deleted, all relevant questions about it on the Area 51 Discussions site are also automatically deleted.
I am going to make an argument of why I think it is being turned down due to the administrator not knowing about the domain much, and why placing the kind of questions that would belong on my proposed site on Unix and Linux, Super User, or Server Fault is not appropriate.
- Linux is not UNIX, it is a Unix derivative
Linux is a UNIX derivative, and most end users' questions relating to getting their desktops running properly are Linux questions. UNIX hardly features here. Consider the chart below, from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UNIX. Linux is one out of 13 operating systems belonging to the UNIX family. When one uses the word
unix those older and little used Unices is what most people have in mind.
unix generally means HP/UX, AIX, ATT, Solaris, SGI and a few other obsolete and hardy used Unices.
The users of those systems are a minority working in specialized areas and they will also have specialist administrators to help with their problems. You won't see one of them coming here to ask about getting Wine or Steam to work on their systems.
Consider this table about Unix adoption with supercomputers from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_adoption
| OS | Number | Share | |------------|--------|-------| | Linux | 497 | 99.4% | | Other Unix | 3 | 0.6% |
I don't know that relevant numbers are with desktops, but I suspect they will be even less flattering with the
If most questions here are related to getting things to work on Linux, then the name of the site should be Linux and Unix Stack Exchange (with Linux mentioned first) and the domain name
linux.stackexchange.com. A number of potential uses probably see UNIX in the domain mentioned first, and probably ignore it believing it is more UNIX focused.
- You can't mix end users' problems with administrators problems
Even after this issue is sorted out, there is still separation between low level utilities and desktop related issues, something which I brought out in the comparison between Windows server administrators and Windows end users.
My issue is that the admins of Area 51 don't seem to grasp that you just can't lump end users who just want to get their stuff running and hopefully learn something extra with administrators who have even more complex issues to deal with and need more specialized knowledge.
Linux is an area where end users are forced to be administrators, but they only go so far and can't be lumped with proper server administrators, who are also sent to Server Fault and in some cases Super User as well. How does one judge if a Linux/UNIX administration question is better answered on Server Fault rather than Unix & Linux? If they are better handled on Server Fault. then why U&L, and why should end users go to U&L rather than Super User if Ask Ubuntu has no interest in non-Ubuntu issues?
This is why the repeated response (I don't know how many times) that Unix and Linux SE covers the need for every thing Unix and Linux seems ill-thought out or understood.
Of course if you feel that the Unix/Linux debate belongs in U & L Meta or Area51 that is fine, but the main question here is what should I do if I believe an Area 51 proposal was closed incorrectly or prematurely due to the administrator not knowing much about the domain in question?