18

Remember how you started programming? I’d bet that when many of you were kids who played with graphic editors after school and at some point decided to find out what the difference between .img and .exe files was. As a result, you installed Turbo Pascal and instead of working with funny pictures, you tried to add something to the downloaded “Hello World.” The typical programming approach at that stage looked like this: "How to increase a counter? - Copy the line with the counter a few times!" Findings like functions or a debugger were no less important than the Theory of Relativity.

Also, do you remember when you made the most progress? Probably, when you met a peer as interested in programming as you. It’s likely that during the first month of working together, your knowledge increased more than in the previous year, when you had studied programming alone.

It appears that our international communities are growing and following the same scenario. Consider this:

  • All international communities start with standard settings on the site.
  • Each community faces similar problems that other international communities face at some stage.
  • At some point, some of the problems become critical.
  • The community, after contributing a lot of time and effort, finds solutions to the critical problems one by one.
  • All other international communities do not benefit from those solutions because they do not know what happens on other sites and...
  • ...they continue to suffer, until the same problems become very critical on their sites as well.

Why not to work together?

The problem

International communities face the same problems again and again, but being isolated, they don’t know that their problems have often been solved elsewhere.

Two examples

(1) Site settings

At some point, on Stack Overflow in Russian we had gotten a lot of questions with greetings. Some users began to edit the questions, which resulted in a large number of edits in the review queue. Reviewers became angry at the editors and the community began discussing what to do with these edits, whether it was necessary to edit old questions at all, etc. We began digging and it turned out that on the site there is a setting that configures the engine to remove greetings automatically when a question gets posted. Kind of the same story with the “thank-you” like comments.

(2) Initiatives

The company is constantly improving the site, including the user interface. Sometimes this leads to a loss in translation. The situation is very annoying and all the international communities suffered from it until g3rv4 created traducir.win, which helps to avoid losing translations in the most common cases. Unfortunately, traducir.win is not used by all communities which results in some communities still losing translations.

Proposed solution

I think the international communities can be more effective if we move forward together. The first step towards joint development is to start sharing our problems, findings, and initiatives with all international communities.

The essence of the approach

In the context “Feedback And Initiatives On International Sites”, it would be great to keep a list of each community’s current problems, findings (aka “solved problems”) and initiatives on MSE. For example, in the form presented in the wiki answer to this question.

If you have any ideas about the the initiative, please share it!

At the same time, do not hesitate to add your community’s current problems, findings, and initiatives to the list. Even if we change the process based on feedback, the list will help us see the actual situation.


Related:

  • 5
    Are there any ways or movements to make the individual sites' findings understandable for the other sites, which don't speak the languages of each other (and often aren't too prone for English as a mediator language either, hence their existence)? I don't know how much Portuguese speakers are going to take from these links to Russian meta posts. – Christian Rau Oct 22 '18 at 12:37
  • 1
    If you expect this question to be edited by the community, consider making it community wiki, no? – rene Oct 22 '18 at 13:26
  • 1
    Great initiative! Regarding the salutations problem, I opened a debate in Meta.SE: Let's make the automatic removal of salutations language specific!. It lead to have some Spanish words also listed as salutations, but I never got feedback on exactly which ones are there now. – fedorqui Oct 22 '18 at 13:28
  • 3
    It would also be interesting to check the Audit reviews status. We have been asking for them in SOes for years, while SOpt has had it for many years now. – fedorqui Oct 22 '18 at 13:28
  • @rene I assumed the contributions would rather be answer. This...would make quite a bit more sense than extending the question by answers. But I might be misunderstanding this. – Christian Rau Oct 22 '18 at 16:17
  • 2
    @rene I agree with you that the list should be presented as a wiki post. If we made the question wiki, this would make all answers wiki as well, which I do not want. At the same time it would be cool if the list appears on international metas. I'd suggest to keep it as it is for a few days and then move it to a dedicated answer. – Nicolas Chabanovsky Oct 22 '18 at 16:28
  • @ChristianRau It's a very interesting question! And my answer is... I do not know. I see a big issue that we do not reuse positive experience between communities. This is an attempt to address the problem. I definitely sure that an international site user will tell us how to improve the suggested approach. – Nicolas Chabanovsky Oct 22 '18 at 16:32
  • @fedorqui Thank you! Please add all initiatives to the list. If the SOes community agrees that it needs something, I'd be happy to help. – Nicolas Chabanovsky Oct 22 '18 at 16:35
  • @Nicolas maybe better make this CW so it's easier to edit? – Shadow Wizard Oct 24 '18 at 8:21
  • @ShadowWizard Yes, let's do that. – Nicolas Chabanovsky Oct 24 '18 at 9:02
  • No wait.. didn't mean answer which is CW, meant you can make the question itself CW, if you plan others to edit it directly. (Ordinary users can't make a question CW but you can do it with the diamond, probably under some mod menu.) – Shadow Wizard Oct 24 '18 at 9:04
  • 1
    @ShadowWizard It's what exactly do I mean: compile the list together. It seems to me that the initial proposal as well as feedback should have authors. – Nicolas Chabanovsky Oct 24 '18 at 9:27
10

List of international communities' current problems, findings, and initiatives

Initiatives

Findings

Current problems

  • 1
    @nekketsuuu regarding Alert before posting a question if it's written in other languages in SOes we have it: ¿Podríamos tener un pequeño detector de publicaciones en inglés que notificara a los autores?. Basically, it checks for some words in the title and the body and, if they match, it prompts an alert. I added a link to it in the Findings section of this answer. – fedorqui Nov 2 '18 at 9:56
  • 1
    @fedorqui: "Having posters for universities and learning centers. Proposed by the CM, but never implemented." Never implemented is wrong. I received posters from Juan and posted them on a couple of universities. – Rubén Nov 27 '18 at 16:16
  • @Rubén good one. I asked for them on a Skype conversation with Juan and was told that I would get some, but never received those. You could share them in Meta SOes so we do not depend on emails. – fedorqui Nov 27 '18 at 17:14
  • 1
    We are looking for art for all sites :) I'll share everything we find. I remember that we had posters at least for SOru and SOes, but it was many moons ago. Let see what we find. – Nicolas Chabanovsky Nov 27 '18 at 17:18
  • @fedorqui: I don't have the digital files. Juan bring the posters to the meetup that we had on Monterrey two years ago. – Rubén Nov 27 '18 at 17:20
  • I checked again: I mentioned this issue of the posts since it appears in the list of goals for 2017 without the check mark of being completed. – fedorqui Nov 27 '18 at 19:42

You must log in to answer this question.

Not the answer you're looking for? Browse other questions tagged .