Let me first try to explain my main motivation for writing this post. It is, to put simply, to try to understand our new Code of Conduct (henceforth CoC) and the scheme of flagging chat posts more.
Reasons for Writing This Post
Very recently I have observed this comment in the CRUDE chatroom. However so far my understanding goes this comment should be seen as clear violation of CoC. To be precise, I don't think that the chat post respects the following (quoted from here),
No subtle put-downs or unfriendly language. Even if you don’t intend it, this can have a negative impact on others.
No name-calling or personal attacks. Focus on the content, not the person. This includes terms that feel personal even when they're applied to content (e.g. “lazy”).
I have flagged the chat post but it was denied. I also had a chat with a mod regarding this (details can be seen here) but he told me that the case was borderline. Some further chat posts are listed in this post and even though they were flagged as spam/offensive, they were not removed.
Very often when I am in CRUDE and see something inappropriate and I flag it as spam/offensive, it is denied. However, when I flag it for moderator attention, it gets removed (mostly by non-MSE mods). Also it seems to me that there are some users for whom CoC isn't applied as strongly as it is for other users. I can name specifics, but I am leaving it for now. If someone really wants to know, let me know in the comments below this post.
We know that if a comment seems inappropriate, flag it. To quote from CoC,
- Flag the harmful content. Depending on the content, flagging will alert moderators or trigger an automatic deletion.
However, very recently I along with another user was suspended for flagging a chat post because the conversation was ended before one day (by the way, I was suspended for flagging this chat post (or so I thought). As is remarked by the mod who suspended both of us (see here for details [mods and CM's only]),
You can flag, but you don't have to. If the conversation is long since over, it can be better in some situations to leave it that way rather than reanimate it with flags. Remember that flags get seen by all network mods and anyone with 10k reputation network wide.
My questions (edited especially in view of this answer)
Are the chat posts I quoted above (i.e. this and this) not violating CoC? Can anyone give me some opinion regarding how can I decide when a comment is really violating the CoC or not? This is really important as I think if I am really overreacting, this may be helpful to reduce the number of flags from me.
When can I flag and when even though I can, I don't need to flag chat posts even if they violate CoC?
It is written in the answer due to which I added this question that, "You were suspended because you engaged in a discussion in another room that also turned vitriolic and snarky, which is also not okay." However, the only conversation that I have had that may be relevant to the issue of my suspension is this. Can anyone tell me how it turned vitrolic and snarky warranting suspension? More specifically can anyone point out to me the specific parts of my comments which is not keeping with CoC? In my chat with the mod who suspended both of us I asked the same thing to him/her (see e.g. here). But he/she didn't give me any specific answer. So I am wondering about the better ways to formulate my comments.
I think that my second question is slightly misunderstood without context. In fact I was hoping to discuss about it in a separate post but reading the answers made me feel that a bit context may be helpful for assessing the motivations for writing this post. So I am providing below what-I-think-to-be sufficient context.
I have created a chatroom for the purposes of general discussions specifically intended to be done with me.
amWhy left a chat post there which I found distracting and to ignore further such posts from him/her like this and to prevent myself from getting engaged in some highly non-constructive discussion I tried to press the button "ignore this user (everywhere)".
However, as the room ownwers of a chatroom are surely aware, due to the consecutive position of "ignore this user (everywhere)" and "kick-mute this user" - I mistakenly clicked on the latter instead of the former.
Immediately (i.e., within 5 seconds) I was kicked out from CRUDE by amWhy even though I apologized to him/her in my room here explaining the situation. I even tried to explain the situation to him/her here also (because as I already ignored him/her, he/she wasn't pingable).
Since I ignored him/her, I wasn't notified of his/her latter comments before leaving the chatroom that day.
Later when I came back I un-ignored him/her to see if he/she has left any message in my room. Then as I went on to Math Meta Chat I saw the message and flagged it.
I was suspended immediately then.
Only after (instead of before) I was suspended, the following message was written by the mod who suspended both of us,
If you can find it in yourselves to disagree respectfully, you'll find yourselves being removed from chat much less. As it is, you can both have some time off for being bloody-minded about the whole thing. I'm going to clean up; you both need to either be constructive or actually use that ignore button.
Please go through all the links that I have provided and don't answer if you haven't done so. Also if you decide to post an answer to the question please post them question wise.