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I am very confused. The VLQ flag is automatically deemed helpful when the question is closed. However, it doesn't always appear on a question, and its appearance is very inconsistent (IMO).

Known criteria for questions to have a VLQ option

  • Must be less than 48 hours old
  • Must be open
  • Must not have a positive score (i.e., only 0 or lower can have VLQ)

The rest are very unclear to me, however.

Since we get ~20 "lost soul" questions on MSE every day, I decided to pick them as sources, flagging every "lost soul" question as VLQ. Here are some of my collected data:

Score, CV, Comments, HasVLQ
0,     0,  0,        1
0,     1,  0,        1
-1,    0,  0,        1
-1,    1,  0,        1
-1,    1,  1,        1
-2,    0,  1,        1
-2,    2,  0,        0
-2,    2,  0,        1
-2,    3,  1,        0
-3,    2,  1,        1
-3,    3,  1,        0
-4,    1,  1,        0
-4,    2,  0,        1
-4,    4,  0,        0
-5,    3,  0,        1
-3,    2,  0,        0 (edited)

The first column is the score of the questions when I see it. The second column is the number of pending CVs (you need 3k reputation to see). The third column is the number of comments under the question (I haven't seen OP comments, so this is only "comments by others"). The fourth column is 0 or 1, indicating the presence of VLQ options. A few words in a pair of parentheses may follow, indicating that there's something special about the question.

Many of the combinations have been seen multiple times.

I am aware of this answer, but if a question already has CV on it, shouldn't it already be in the CV review queue? (I believe nobody would click "Leave Open" for these questions de l'âme en peine.)

I am not able to figure out a consistent rule/criteria from my collected data. Any insights?

  • criteria for when system hides a VLQ flag option are listed here – gnat Mar 7 at 10:30
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In the Q&A "Where is the very low quality flag?" Shog9 answered:

That question is currently being reviewed for closure. As such, it does not require nor will it benefit from Very Low Quality flags - we already know it's potentially problematic, we're now trying to determine how problematic it is and in what way.

See also: Missing "VLQ" flag option in Triage Queue

Where Brad Larson explains:

Changes to VLQ flag availability

So as of a few minutes ago, Very Low Quality won't be an option from within Triage review or from anywhere else while a question is being triaged. We're also taking this opportunity to be a bit proactive with another change that'll be necessary soon: Very Low Quality won't be available for questions that are currently undergoing Close review either.

This moves VLQ one step closer to my intended purpose: catching awful questions that slipped through the cracks somehow. We'll see how that works out in practice...

And, Travis J offers this block diagram:

VLQ flow

Some authoritative answers are offered in the question: How should I flag blatantly off-topic questions on Meta.SE: Close or VLQ?.

Also, there is an almost 3 year old question: Explain missing VLQ flag in the UI with no answer.

It's no different than when a question is on hold (as three people whom have commented on this answer did): once enough information has come in the options presented to flaggers are pared down.

Once a question is on-hold pending closure here's all you get:

Dialog for on-hold flags

There's no need to rehash, but new information is acceptable.

User iBug has offered some additional information in a comment, on Mar 7 2019:

"Consider that CVs and flags have a 10-minute delay before kicking the post into the review queue, you're correct. This matches my observation in the past month, when I specifically noted the # of pending CVs and the age of the question".

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    What about MSE where there isn't the Triage queue, but only a CV? – Meta Bug Wizard Jan 19 at 5:00
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    Also, when someone casts a first close flag or close vote, isn't the post automatically kicked into the CV queue? – Meta Bug Wizard Jan 19 at 5:01
  • Second sentence, in bold. – Rob Jan 19 at 5:01
  • For example, what if they did things entirely differently: First phase the first half dozen people can rate from 1 to 10 (or 0 to 9) and for the second phase the question is "trash" or "treasure". --- Having VLQ opens the options up for how one can pigeonhole their criticism, it allows an additional choice where one was uncertain about being rejected for choosing a different flag. As soon as the problem's existence is noticed the fine granularity is removed and a reduced set of choices are offered, VLQ is the choice that gets kicked. – Rob Jan 19 at 5:14
  • I'm pretty sure the diagram is SO-only. – Pikachu the Watermelon Wizard Jan 19 at 5:14
  • Updating answer by adding more info, in a few minutes. – Rob Jan 19 at 5:25
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    @ɪBᴜɢ from my experience on relatively-slow site, delayed, not instantly (based on refreshing the review page per 1 minute) – No Distraction Wizard Jan 19 at 7:29
  • Consider that CVs and flags have a 10-minute delay before kicking the post into the review queue, you're correct. This matches my observation in the past month, when I specifically noted the # of pending CVs and the age of the question. Add this information and I'll accept the answer. – Meta Bug Wizard Mar 7 at 7:10

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