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There has been a lot of drama, and progress is being made or at least talked about.

In any case, I am not on strike, because I don't want a bunch of trolls making messes in the place I spend a bunch of time. My work here benefits

  • Myself (first and foremost, discussion about altertism aside)
  • Others with similar interest
  • Animals across the world Pets.se
  • Random people surfing the net
  • Lastly the SE company.

If what you did in the past has value go back to work monitoring and protecting it.

If you don't like the way SE is doing business, there are a multitude of options to combat that do not involve letting other make a mess in the house you built and live in.

If you think you can build a better house, go for it. Everything we have contributed is CC, make a better place and everyone will follow you there. In the mean time, let's keep what we have nice.

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    Please don't tell me how to advocate on behalf of the users of my sites and my fellow moderators. – HDE 226868 Oct 8 at 18:22
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    Drama is behind us, so lets forget about all the issues that caused it, right? No need to hold anyone accountable. – Oded Oct 8 at 19:17
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    @Oded - Is the drama behind actually us? We have not even seen the new Code of Conduct, which resulted in a discussion to happen, resulting in a moderator being fired. SE has not even had a discussion with that moderator after they issued a second apology apology. – Ramhound Oct 8 at 19:43
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    @Ramhound - I don't believe it is, but it feels that's what the post would like things to be like. – Oded Oct 8 at 19:56
  • @Oded - I am bad at reading sarcasm in text. My apolgizes – Ramhound Oct 8 at 19:57
  • @Ramhound - no worries. Text is not a great format for expressing such things. – Oded Oct 8 at 19:58
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    Is this post just about judging people that got hurt lately, telling them they allow too much mess by doing nothing while being hurt, and then giving orders to the entire community? Looks like a nice way to get everything back on tracks... – dim Oct 8 at 20:34
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    Why would you expect someone to continue to volunteer their time and expertise to a company who acts in a way they don't support? Why would I continue to invest myself it what may essentially turn out to be an abusive relationship? This isn't the first time the company has apologized and promised to do better - and failed to deliver on that promise. – ColleenV Oct 8 at 22:33
  • @ColleenV if the manager of my apartment building is inappropriate in their duties, I am still going to secure my apartment, and take out the trash. I might plan to move, but until I do, I am still going to maintain my area. – James Jenkins Oct 9 at 8:28
  • @JamesJenkins would you go clean other people’s apartments while the manager collects the fee for your work? And instead of thanking you for earning them that money, they call you a bigot? And all the while they’re evicting people without due process? It’s your life, so do what you want, but don’t push it on other people. – ColleenV Oct 9 at 10:40
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    @ColleenV my position only applies to communities/apartments which you have an attachment to or co-ownership of. – James Jenkins Oct 9 at 11:10
  • @JamesJenkins Maintaining these sites is work. It may be rewarding or not depending on who you are. When it ceases to be rewarding for someone, they should stop doing it and fill their time with something more rewarding. That’s how volunteering works. – ColleenV Oct 9 at 14:24
  • @ColleenV No objections from me on that point. – James Jenkins Oct 9 at 14:28
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    Interestingly enough, I am one of the mods who kept on moderating. However, I sense a grave injustice was done – a well-respected member of the community first unceremoniously booted without due process, and later maligned and slandered. The community is at a crossroads: roll over and take it, or demand that a wrong be made right. Based on past experiences in the Stack Exchange, I thought for sure this would be fixed in a couple days at most, but the longer it drags on, the more disenchanted I become. If what we had in the past had value, let's stick to our principles. – J.R. Oct 9 at 21:16
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I get where you're coming from, and it's quite true that those on strike, myself included, appear to be leaving the sites and people we care about to the dogs - if you look at things without context. But . . .

  • The users benefit from my moderating, but not if they're leaving the sites - and a number of them are. Anything I can do to stop that is a boon to those users and to the community as a whole.
  • I benefit from my moderating, but not if it's an emotional drain or a source of stress, as it has been for me for about ten days. Eventually, things will return to normal, emotionally, but that's not going to happen tomorrow.
  • Stack Exchange benefits from my moderating, but they're recently made various decision I strongly disagree with, so that's not a motivating factor. I'm less inclined to do volunteer work for a group which has taken actions which treat some of those I care about unfairly.

I do see your point, but I think the situation is more nuanced and less open-and-shut than you make it out to be.

  • I have not been following every nuance. I concur 100% that if your volunteer work here is negatively impacting your life, you should take a step back. I also appreciate that in most cases, those stepping back have announced their actions and the reasons. – James Jenkins Oct 9 at 11:16
  • I wonder how many moderators would be back at work with this whole fiasco in the rear-view mirror had the CTO had just added one last sentence to his eloquent apology: We are sorry we overstepped our bounds; Monica's moderation status has been reinstated on all four sites where she was moderating. Yes, there are other issues that still have people uneasy, but I still think this step would have quelled the turmoil almost immediately. – J.R. Oct 10 at 11:35
  • @J.R. s/four/six (just for the record) – Rand al'Thor Oct 11 at 10:43

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