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Pursuant to discussion on the new CoC FAQ, several have asked how far they'll need to search to determine if a user has expressed their preferred pronouns. This requested feature could create an easy solution for that concern.

On sites where I've reached the "established user" privilege level, users can hover over my badge to see a snippet of my profile:

expanded user card

This is where I've included my preferred pronouns, and where I see many others including them as well.

By making this feature universal, users could quickly and easily check for preferred pronouns without needing to navigate to another page.

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    When you say "universal" do you mean "once a user earns the privilege on one site, apply it to every other" or "give all users this privilege, regardless of their reputation anywhere" (or perhaps set to something lower, e.g., 20 rep)? – VLAZ Oct 10 at 20:07
  • Into it. Thanks for the suggestion! – Megan Risdal Oct 10 at 22:47
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    @VLAZ It's my understanding that it's the latter. – TylerH Oct 11 at 13:52
  • What am I doing wrong? I can't find any pronoun information in your profile, whether by clicking or hovering. Maybe I don't have enough rep? Currently: 1746. – aparente001 Oct 12 at 22:37
  • @aparente001 This is the point - LShaver's profile does include his personal pronouns, but with only 525 rep on here you have click through to his profile to see it. If all users had the expanded profile card you'd be able to see it by hovering over his profile as per the picture. – Zhaph - Ben Duguid Oct 16 at 9:40
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Slight improvement suggestion: get rid of the "enough info in profile" criterion. As the privilege currently works,

An expanded usercard is only available if there are at least 28 characters in the "About Me" section of your profile. When your profile is long enough to show an expanded usercard a drop shadow effect will be shown on your avatar.

If someone wants to state their pronouns, but not much else into their "about me" field, and if the goal of making the privilege universal is to grant quick access/better visibility to people's pronouns, one shouldn't have to write "he/his/him [random stuff to reach 28 chars]".

  • Agreed, it seems somewhat silly to have a minimum character limit for showing an expanded user card on hover. – V2Blast Oct 11 at 20:12
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Additionally/alternatively, perhaps include a specific part of the user profile to specify pronouns that show on the user card even without having to expand the "expanded usercard privilege" to everyone. E.g.:

updated usercard

And that comes from the values here on my profile page:

profile page with new pronoun preference circled in red freehand

This way you save a database call for Stack Exchange (just to see someone's preferred pronouns), you save a mouse movement and time spent hovering for the user, and you get to keep the neat little privilege of having an expandable user card for those who like it.

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    Down voted because, despite this being a good technical solution, the data can be sold to advertisers. – rjzii Oct 10 at 19:14
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    I'd be OK with having a field in the profile, but putting it in the box itself would make the sites seem too much like social media rather than a Q&A site. If a separate profile field, it could still be coupled with the original idea of expanding the flyout to all users regardless of reputation. – Thomas Owens Oct 10 at 19:15
  • @ThomasOwens the company has moved well past keeping this a site that's only about questions and answers with this CoC and recent events. However I agree it could be visible as part of a flyout to all users in a way that's separate from the rest of the usercard expansion. Don't have an idea/implementation of what that might look like, though. – TylerH Oct 10 at 19:17
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    This is honestly a pretty good solution. Systematic support for this would also send a clear signal. It's also more work than just giving everyone access to an expandable user-card, though, so I'd get if they didn't do this on those grounds. – Aza Oct 11 at 6:40
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    @Aza It'd be a pretty weak excuse though, because probably only a few people put their preferred pronouns in their bio. Even after this CoC change and it being recommended by staff in response to questions via comments under the announcements, I'm sure most still won't do it. So they'll have made kind of a pointless change in that case. – TylerH Oct 11 at 13:45
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    @rjzii Hah. Advertisers already know. – marcellothearcane Oct 12 at 21:39
  • @marcellothearcane You might be surprised... some of the profiles I've seen about myself are wrong. – rjzii Oct 12 at 21:41
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    @rjzii You must have better tin foil than me :) Anyway, surely advertisers can scrape preferred pronouns: he/him from your about me anyway? So if you don't want the people to know, you can simply not put it in your profile. – marcellothearcane Oct 12 at 21:48
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    This is pretty scrapable regardless of it being in it's own field. I don't think SO/SE sell this sort of info about you anyway? – Pureferret Oct 14 at 9:17
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    I'm disappointed this answer has such a low score. It is (IMHO) the perfect solution. It allows people who care about their personal pronouns to opt-in, it eliminates the need for people to actively go out of their way to see if preferred personal pronouns are specified, and it gives SE an opportunity to demonstrate their willingness to "put their money where their mouth is" by building this feature. – Beofett Oct 14 at 12:32
  • This may end up never happening because of legal implications – Zoe the transgirl Oct 14 at 15:37
  • @Zoethetransgirl I think it's best to avoid adding to the speculation fire. As my comment to Shog there shows, we currently have no actual indication that there even are any legal issues with such a system, only a comment from Shog saying 'we're looking into it', presumably because someone raised a concern. – TylerH Oct 14 at 15:47
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    Very nice idea, if there are any legal concerns maybe some kind of consensus would work out. – Evil Oct 14 at 15:56
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    Glorfindel's Pronoun Assistant script was just updated to do exactly this. – Zoe the transgirl Oct 14 at 17:31
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This wouldn't work for neo-pronouns. The binary pronouns are:

           |            | genitive   | genitive |
nominative | accusative | determiner | pronoun  | reflexive
-----------------------------------------------------------
he         | him        | his        | his      | himself
she        | her        | her        | hers     | herself

nominative: Earlier, he/she went to the shops.

accusative: I gave the book to him/her.

genitive determiner: That is his/her car.

genitive pronoun: That meal is his/hers.

reflexive: Apparently, he/she did it himself/herself!

If my neo-pronouns are foo, bar, baz, qux, & fooself, how is another user supposed to know which is which? How many users' knowledge of grammar is good enough to correctly use neo-pronouns while trying to answer the OP's question?

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