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I just answered on Warning potential new moderators? and people (rightfully) rejected my first version where I spoke about "the Monica situation".

I agree, we shouldn't associate the name of a specific person like that.

On the other hand, that question just says

about current events here on meta

"Current events" is pretty nothing-telling, and in say 6 months, a new person reading that question will be like "what events?"

The "best" I came up with to denote "the current events" was to call it the

"CoC 2019 updates / de-modding related" situation

But coming from programming, I know that proper naming is extremely important.

So: what would be a better term to denote "the current events situation", for future communication?

Edit: it's different from How can we improve the inconsistent tagging of the questions relating to the recent uproar and associated issues?. I am not asking about tags. I am asking about a verbal term, that can be used in direct human to human communication.

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    Also related: Should we have a tag for significant points in time? – Mari-Lou A Nov 11 '19 at 15:05
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    We could go old school and call it The Melancholy – Machavity Jan 14 '20 at 19:21
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    FUBAR comes to mind..... – Sorceri Jan 14 '20 at 19:21
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    The Backstab (by Stack). – hftf Jan 14 '20 at 20:04
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    @hftf "The Backstack" was too cheesy, I assume? – MechMK1 Feb 5 '20 at 13:09
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    Hi @MechMK1, I explained what I think would make a good term (i.e., not a neologism) in the answer I posted to this narrowly-scoped question (i.e., “what would be a better term to denote the current situation?”). But my answer was deleted by a moderator, accusing me of “playing a game” and “reviving” a question (the bounty did that, not me). I disagree with the deletion, but I can’t undelete it or defend what I believe was a fair and legitimate answer to the question. I have lurked MSE for a while and thought I followed all the rules in posting my first answer, but now feel unwelcome. – hftf Feb 5 '20 at 22:37
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    @hftf I understand you, I was in the same boat. I criticized a particular action by SE, Inc. as careless and upsetting. My answer quickly gained several upvotes, before being deleted and me being banned from Meta for a week. So much for "You'll get a warning first". – MechMK1 Feb 6 '20 at 8:50

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I don't think it's possible to capture the 'current events' into a single word or short phrase that's short enough to be used as a (hash)tag. There are just too many things going on right now, and different people will tend to put more emphasis on different topics.

Of course, most users are concerned, one way or another, about the Code of Conduct changes and how Stack Overflow Inc. treated (and still treats) Monica. Those are probably the most visible topics right now. But, as I mentioned here, there are other things people worry about: they see a company which

  • shows highly inappropriate advertisements and seems to be unable/unwilling to do something about it
  • unilaterally changes the license without having the right to do so
  • generally seems to struggle with its presence on Meta Stack Exchange and Meta Stack Overflow (I'm not up-to-date with the current status on MSO, but here is an example)

Overall, I would be tempted to call it something like the 'increasing disconnect between the community and Stack Overflow Inc.' but that's probably already too long for your purpose. My apologies, I'm not good at writing short titles.

A final thought; it's a bad analogy, but the term 'First World War' wasn't used until just a few months before it actually ended (source). And it only started to become widespread twenty years later when the Second World War began (the moment when it would really make sense to call something 'first'). So it might be a bit early too tell how to name the 'current events' precisely because they are current.

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    How did people call WW1 while it was still going? The great war? – Trilarion Dec 14 '19 at 21:48
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    @Trilarion Some of them were already calling it "The First World War" even before it ended. See my answer on History:SE. – sempaiscuba Dec 15 '19 at 0:46
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I think it would be a mistake to try to name the current situation as if it were one particular thing. It’s not the “licensingdemoddingbadapologyantiLGBQTlanguagecoercedspeechresignationstrikeCoCchangeinsertnegativefeelingshere” situation.

When we speak of something, we should be clear about what we’re speaking about and not just wave our hands and say “all of this stuff”. It’s not constructive to be vague. If you’re talking about the unethical way Monica was and continues to be treated, say that. If you’re talking about how SE management has stopped responding to the community about Monica’s treatment, then say that.

Labeling a huge mess of negativity as “The 2019 Situation” or whatever isn’t productive. It leads to inflammatory discussions where people think they know what someone else is talking about, but no-one is actually on the same page, because everyone understands it differently.

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    On the other hand, can't that be said about any larger "situation"? When two people talk about "the second world war", they could be thinking of completely separate sub-aspects of that war; and yet it makes sense to have "one term" to label the overall thing? – GhostCat Nov 13 '19 at 8:17
  • @GhostCatsaysReinstateMonica Why does it need to have a label other than "the current drama"? Labeling tends to lead to over-generalization and sloppy thinking. Any label that tries to make a myriad of issues look like one would probably be used to incite people to action. Everyone will be there for different reasons but here we are with our pitchforks and torches so lets make something happen! We're angry! About things! Except that doesn't actually solve anything. Each problem has different solutions and it doesn't help to lump them together. – ColleenV Nov 13 '19 at 12:27
  • So "the current drama" isn't overly general and invites for sloppy thinking? And beyond that, it obviously loses all meaning when you add the time dimension. – GhostCat Nov 13 '19 at 12:30
  • @GhostCatsaysReinstateMonica Assigning things a label is different from having to actually think up words to express your exact meaning when you're writing. Why do you want to label it? So you can just use that label without thinking about it and assume everyone knows what you are talking about. Sometimes that's very useful, like me being able to say "Amelia says" instead of "the Italian grandmother who is wearing a red shirt today says". Sometimes that's not useful, like when you're trying to solve a problem involving X and Y but no-one agrees on what X and Y actually are. – ColleenV Nov 13 '19 at 12:38
  • @GhostCatsaysReinstateMonica I read my comments again, and they seem more confrontational than I meant them. I think this post is a stellar example of expressing exactly what someone means when discussing what’s going on - I feel that if we start using a label, the level of discussion would drop. We would see less people putting effort into explaining their POV. – ColleenV Nov 13 '19 at 15:24
  • Thanks for that link. And I agree to what you say, I just see that people do use labels, and "labeling being bad" won't stop them doing that. I come from the pragmatic side of things that goes "okay, now that labels are used, what would be a decent label that most people could go with" ... – GhostCat Nov 13 '19 at 15:32
  • @GhostCatsaysReinstateMonica I don’t think helping to normalize something I think is a bad solution because a lot of people seem to be going that route is reasonable. I can’t help tilting at windmills. I think resisting futilely is still worthwhile, if only to demonstrate that not everyone agrees. I am blessed to live in a country where expressing a “bad” opinion has surprisingly few consequences. I feel obligated to seize the opportunity to object when it arises ;) And if I make one other person reflect on how labeling things taints their thinking, that’s not nothing. – ColleenV Nov 13 '19 at 15:42
  • If abbreviations of any kind are not allowed how can anyone ever refer to the past events, i.e. that what happened in the last months and was discussed so controversial? – Trilarion Dec 14 '19 at 21:50
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I've been calling it The Mess, and so far no one has objected. According to Macmillan Dictionary, a mess (noun) is

a difficult situation with a lot of problems, especially because people have made mistakes

Although one user (@cp engr) correctly pointed out that there are several messes, they all add up to The Mess or maybe The Big Mess. My first thought was to call it The Can of Worms, but although intended humorously, that would be disrespectful to people who already have more than enough to contend with, and I doubt they would think it funny.

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    I like it because it is not centered around the CoC. The CoC is not the problem per se. It was more a trigger, the last drop. The problem is how SE Inc handle a lot of mistakes and missteps. They dont know how to handle a community. This is awful when their whole product is community centered. This is a mess, this is The Mess. – aloisdg Nov 12 '19 at 10:29
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    Maybe make it " The October '19 Mess". Even though I hope we don't need to specify the messes too detailed in the future because they are so many... – Helmar Nov 12 '19 at 12:43
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    There are multiple messes. Currently. – cp.engr Nov 12 '19 at 19:17
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    @aloisdgsaysReinstateMonica, for many the new CoC is also a problem, mainly for the new gender pronouns rule, seemed as a form of coercion of speech. – Paulo Coghi Nov 13 '19 at 19:00
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Stack Exchange: Civil War

Inspired by MCU and the real historical events, this is the best fitting name for our situation.

SE Inc.: Give up.

Community: I can do this all day.

Or

Community: Stop harming us.

SE Inc.: We can do this all day.

Lightness Races with Monica

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Trying to use a short word or phrase to describe the current events is difficult because those events consist of several things, as Glorfindel and ColleenV say. But there is a bigger problem than that. Using a short word or phrase suggests that the current events are mostly about or are caused by only one thing, which can be used as an attempt to frame the current problems in a particular way. And doing that can be explicitly or implicitly pushing a particular political viewpoint as the correct viewpoint. We should be careful to avoid that.

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Stack Exchange's Biggest Error of Licencing and Gender use Involving User Monica

Unfortunately, the abbreviation is (NSFW):

Belgium - the rudest word in the Universe.

Use:

Noun: Stack Exchange has made a complete Belgium of this!
Verb: Oh, no, they've Belgiumed it up, again!
Exclamation: Oh Belgium, what have they done now?!

Example: "Aaargh, Belgium! They've Belgiumed the bloody Belgium. It's all gone completely Belgium!"

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    Knowing a few nice people from Belgium, I kinda disagree to use that abbreviation, but you got my vote for the mouse-hovering hiding of content. – GhostCat Nov 12 '19 at 15:06
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    Plus 1 for making me think of The Office – codeMagic Nov 12 '19 at 15:35
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    @GhostCatsaysReinstateMonica, but even Belgium people must admit that the state of Belgium is quite a mess. – vikingosegundo Nov 12 '19 at 16:00
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    @GhostCatsaysReinstateMonica: If a state has to exists more than a year without Government, we can safely assume: it's a mess. Just to make it clear: I talk about the state. not the people. not the societies (note plural). – vikingosegundo Nov 12 '19 at 16:23
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    When did he say it? When falling from the 25-km-high statue of Arthur Dent? – P.Mort. - forgot Clay Shirky_q Nov 17 '19 at 0:05
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    Isn't the spoilered text only in the US version, while in UK a more common expletive was used, and thus no explanation was needed? – April Salutes Monica C. Nov 18 '19 at 14:47
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"The Distancing"

Several different "sides" have emerged with that seem to be conflicting. Instead of one diverse community consisting of a large number of people with different ideas that respects despite disagreement, now there are different factions with viewpoints about the site's direction that are viewed as incompatible. Long-simmering feelings have been let out on many sides, due to lack of validation, respect, and trust. Recent events have shown that the straw was placed on the camel's back and it broke. While some appear to be interested in uniting and coming back together, many remain far apart, distant.

I can only hope that soon there will be

"The Reconciliation"

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    Distancing happens since many months methinks, just not that loud. But I still like your ideas, especially part 2! – GhostCat Nov 11 '19 at 19:34
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    Yea, nobody's gonna know what that means without having seen this answer. – Cerbrus Nov 12 '19 at 8:48
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Of course, what we call it will evolve, as the situation evolves. Right now no one has a crystal ball to show us the eventual outcome, so it's impossible to predict a name that would be accurate farther down the road.

But that doesn't mean we can't use descriptive titles now. Here are some that work for me:

Crisis of Trust

this one focuses on how many moderators and contributors are feeling.

SE Mismanagement

this one focuses on the hamfistedness.


I would like to find a way to include the image of a stupid cat stuck in a tree, having run up there impulsively, without knowing how to come down again. Management appears to be stuck in some sort of paralysis, stubbornly unable to back down from the outrageous position it finds itself in.

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As this seem to be a never ending story, I propose the name

Eternal October of 2019

like the Usenet Eternal September brought to us by AOL.

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How's about "The Confidence Crisis?"

It encapsulates the community's growing lack of confidence in SE that both precluded the changes to the CoC, and was inflamed by the entire Licensing/CoC-Monica/De-Modding debacle.

It's simple, and straightforward. What inspired it? Years of disconnect, followed by a string of acute failures in communication and management. But ultimately, I think it gets to the core of what this is: a crisis of confidence in the SE organization by users, moderators, and staff alike.

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The CoC Exodus

The CoC change (and Monica), triggered a mass exodus, in more ways than one.

It caused many users to leave the site. It caused many moderators to step down and become regular users. And it caused many active moderating users to become lurkers (or only-posters).

All of these moves, I would call exoduses. They're groups of people departing from their roles on the site.

The only thing I don't like about this name is the religious connotation the word "exodus" has. I've tried "The CoC Departure," "The CoC Abandonment" and "The CoC Evacuation." But I feel that none of these capture the feeling of what's happening as well as "exodus."

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    Then what about SExit like Brexit? – DK Bose Nov 12 '19 at 1:32
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    @JusticeforMonica: Sex it? Nope. – Cerbrus Nov 12 '19 at 8:50
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    The CoC Rebellion? – P.Mort. - forgot Clay Shirky_q Nov 12 '19 at 12:21
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    @PeterMortensen I said that out loud, pronouncing CoC as a word, the way one does acronyms, and I am pretty sure that it will not be well received. – KorvinStarmast Feb 10 '20 at 16:24
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I like to call it... the cataclysm.

Because that's what it is.

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  • Not TOTAL ARMAGEDDON AND THE END OF THE WORLD AS WE KNOW IT -- IT'S THE END¿ Do you feel fine? Do you? – bobobobo Nov 18 '19 at 20:12
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    @LаngLаngС already used clusterf**k but that gets my vote? 'a sudden violent political or social upheaval.' vs 'a disastrously mishandled situation or undertaking.' both apply, but the second feels better. – Cyclical Feb 9 '20 at 0:46
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What would be a better term to denote "the current events situation", for future communication?

I believe it is unloaded to refer to it as the "October 2019 CoC fallout".

Incomplete timeline (a link to a detailed timeline is below, that's where there's a Wiki):

Fast forward a few weeks ...

A post was created detailing which moderators were resigning, reducing their workload or otherwise annoyed. A chronology of events is included at the end of the post, despite recent updates almost every entry is for the month of October (one entry in the prior month and none for November).

More than a week later an apology is made,

and moderators reiterated their dismay.

Another week and calls for reparation go unanswered.

Another week and feedback is sought on a policy concerning the removal of moderators. The previous post had almost -2K downvotes, this is Take 2.

Arguably it was the end of September, but "fallout" truly landed throughout October.

Definition of fallout (noun):

  1. a : the often radioactive particles stirred up by or resulting from a nuclear explosion and descending through the atmosphere also : other polluting particles (such as volcanic ash) descending likewise

     b : descent (as of fallout) through the atmosphere

  1. : a secondary and often lingering effect, result, or set of consequences

     // have to take a position and accept the political fallout — Andy Logan

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  • It makes sense, although it neither started nor ended in October, so it might make sense to drop the month. Keeping the year probably makes sense, since there was some CoC drama in 2018 as well. The only problem is that people have coupled the CoC drama together with other unrelated issues like the licensing problem, and they want an umbrella term that refers to everything they're upset about, and some of those things have nothing whatsoever to do with the CoC. – user215040 Nov 12 '19 at 0:43
  • What's the point of adding the whole timeline in this answer? – Cerbrus Nov 12 '19 at 8:49
  • That's covered in my profile. – Rob Nov 12 '19 at 12:13
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    Maybe the "3+4Q19 CoC fallout then"... – GhostCat Nov 12 '19 at 15:20
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What happened is that a well-known and respected moderator was fired and maybe also slandered in the course, other moderators resigned and also some very specific language usage rules were introduced as well as some new feedback channels announced.

Let's call it the big moderator fallout, grammar controversy and meta isn't important anymore depression of 2019.

Maybe even shorter the "big 2019 meta controversy".

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In a recent answer to a request for moderator elections on one of our sites, staff member Catija ♦ mentioned,

I’m sorry.

The long-standing repercussions of the fall are something we’re still recovering from.

I therefore propose The Fall, or a related term such as The Fall 2019 to describe the events. It succinctly describes the chaos without naming names or making any group seem at fault or villainized.

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    Neat idea ... not in any way rude, but still making a point. – GhostCat Feb 10 '20 at 15:46
  • So you expect a "The Fall 2020" or any other reason you already included a year? :D – Secespitus Feb 10 '20 at 15:50
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    @SecSE-clearMonica'sname because the issue started in 2019 and the bulk of it happened that year. If you don't like the year, we can just call it The Fall, but adding a year could be helpful for some people. – Robert Columbia Feb 10 '20 at 15:51
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    Sorry but "Fall 2019" would mean, to most people, the season. Only very few will understand it means something else. It's fine to use it in context, but without context just as title, it's just not clear enough on its own. (Think I've seen it used in recent days in chat, without context, and ignored the messages because thought they talk about weather.) – Shadow Wizard Wearing Mask V2 Feb 10 '20 at 16:04
  • (the) Fall = Autumn, albeit the events did begin in the fall of 2019, September 30 to be precise. @LangLangC also proposes "the fall" in their recently edited answer. – Mari-Lou A Feb 10 '20 at 16:28
  • Heh, I saw this and thought the same thing. Reminds me (perhaps oddly) of an episode of Andromeda: "How long has the Vedran been here?" "Since the fall." "The fall of the Commonwealth?" "Since autumn, nine months ago." Always thought that was a clever double entendre, and it fits perfectly here too. – Asteroids With Wings Feb 10 '20 at 16:56
  • @Shadow9 That's why "The Fall" (c.f. "Fall", "fall", "last fall", "Fall 2019", "last autumn" etc) works! In a nicely subtle way that doesn't invoke overt militancy but is there as a reference if anyone wants it. – Asteroids With Wings Feb 10 '20 at 16:57
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Community crises

In this meta post, an employee is speaking of "our series of crises with the Community starting in September 2019". I think community crises is a good phrase and would be a good tag.

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The Disengagement

While this proposed label is for broader reasons than the recent mess involving the CoC and Monica "being made an example of", I find that it fits well when one adds to that the release of two Community Managers and the resignation of one Community Manager1. Those are all related knock-on effects of the general Disengagement of the SE/SO company from its SE users.

This label, The Disengagement, is suggested by me thanks to this very thoughtful post by Thomas Owens - someone who has been around SO and SE since 'by invite only' SO days. He has about 8 years of moderation under his belt. As I read through that post I perceive that The Disengagement has been happening for a while; what has happened since September appears to be the culmination of a number of decisions and trends.

A couple of other suggestions that fit the same theme are:

The Estrangement

and from that

The Strange


1 Apparently, without replacement for any of the three - though that assessment may be premature

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Since this is the result of a structural or systematic defect in the construction and design of this entire outfit, regarding build, feedback mechanisms, power hierarchy and responsiveness to criticism:

I suggest a systematic naming system:

  • date, serial number –– short title –– nickname

like for example

Note that empirically the date is expected to require a certain fine-grained structure. And the serial number is expected to increase quickly.

On a perhaps more pointed angle, Catija used the word for this quite nicely — and completely en passant, most probably without knowing:

’m sorry.

The long-standing repercussions of the fall

Let's be honest: it was much more grievous than already the Eternal September and longer than just any October I ever heard of. And it's still not over.
The inherent ambiguity of this 'the Fall of StackExchange' actually convinces me that much, I'll be using that from now on: The Fall.

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    A bit too technical for me. As written in the question, I am looking for something that works in human-to-human communication, this is not about machine communication, and the need of programmatic access to dozens or hundreds of systematically named incidents. Albeit I see where you are coming from! – GhostCat Nov 12 '19 at 15:19
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There was a slow buildup to the current crisis over many years from posts on and off the SE network complaining about the hostility on Stack Overflow to the company's attempts to make the Stack Exchange sites and their communities more welcoming. The focus in this effort was mostly on newcomers to the sites at first, but quickly shifted to include other groups and has recently narrowed to the treatment of trans and queer gender minorities. The single most controversial subject in the discussion of how to make SE more welcoming was how to handle pronouns for people of unspecified or non-binary gender. The current crisis was triggered when SE fired a moderator for questioning the company's pronoun policy. Many have perceived the manner of that demotion as outrageously unfair to the moderator and as destructive to the community.

Judging by reports from members of the Teacher's Lounge, the debate about the use of pronouns was by far the most emotional and disruptive event on the site. Deeply personal stories have been shared and a lot of hurt has been inflicted. The handling of this discussion – and nothing else – has led to the firing of one and the resignation of other moderators from both sides of the argument. It seems to me that the severity of the issue that has been underlying the discussion of pronouns comes from an unlucky intersection of years of mismanagement by the owners of Stack Exchange and the fight for LGBTQ rights:

Graphic illustrating the intersection of the "SE mess" and "LGBTQ rights"

The "pronoun crisis" and what underlies it – the recognition of non-traditional lifestyles – is symptomatic for the culture at large and only finding another battlefield on this site. It has illuminated the failures of SE the company, but one is neither the cause nor the effect of the other.

I believe that a name for a historic event must be telling and unique. "The Mess" or other unspecific terms can be applied to many things that have been going on on SE over the years, and when in a decade someone reads of "the mess", they won't know which of the many messes that term refers to. "The pronoun crisis" or "the firing of Monica Cellio", on the other hand, will always and clearly be tied to this moment in time. No other terms have that distinction.

I therefore propose:

"the pronoun crisis"

or

"the firing of Monica Cellio"

To further explain my proposal, let us look at a well-known example from history.

On 28 June 1914, Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria was assassinated. The assassination led directly to what was later called World War I. On its own, the assassination would of course never have caused a war, much less one of such horrendous proportions. But a long time before the assassination, the political situation in Europe had been building up to the point where this deed would have that consequence.

European Imperialism, the proclamation of the German Empire, a series of political crises from 1875 to 1913/14, and the European alliance systems have been given as the causes of World War I, and yet the assassination of Archduke Franz Ferdinand eventually triggered its outbreak.

In a similar way, what will happen with Stack Exchange in the future will have been caused by the complex history of this community, and we cannot yet know and give a name to what will eventually come of it. But the question was not asking for a name about this whole period in the history of Stack Exchange, but for this brief moment in time, and this moment is defined by the discussion about pronouns in the same way that the assassination of the Archduke defined the outbreak of World War I.

It was the conflict about pronouns that caused Monica Cellio to be demoted, and it was her demotion that lead to the outcry that in turn lead to this reckoning with situation we're at.

To me, therefore, "the pronoun crisis" and "the firing of Monica Cellio" are fitting names for these past weeks.

The number of posts about pronouns and Monica make it clear that this it at the center of the recent events.


Update.

Currently,

the Monica situation

has become a term for the ongoing latent conflict between SE and many of their users.

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    -1 because that makes it sound like the whole thing is about pronouns and it really, really isn't. The rot started way before pronouns were even mentioned, and continues way past when most users' concerns about clumsily-presented pronoun rules were satisfied. – user56reinstatemonica8 Nov 11 '19 at 21:26
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    Not really seeing your point I'm afraid. You're suggesting naming all this after the subject of the minor disagreement that an SO Inc used as an excuse to sack and publicly slander a moderator at a time of growing discontent between users and staff. Using your analogy, to me that seems like naming WW1 after the motivation of the Serbian nationalist who threw that bomb. It's just one part of the spark. – user56reinstatemonica8 Nov 12 '19 at 18:59
  • Maybe the "The Xyr-sys" – biziclop Feb 5 '20 at 8:21
  • "The Monica Situation" seems like a nod to something from Quentin Tarantino's "Pulp Fiction" - the part where a dead body is to be disposed of - is that intentional? – KorvinStarmast Feb 10 '20 at 16:52

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