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TL;DR: We're always working to make knowledge more accessible and easier to reuse, so we're excited to announce that we're making some feature updates to facilitate that. Later this quarter, Bookmarks are being renamed to Saves, as well as getting a suite of upgrades to make the feature more useful and robust.

To better understand how the community reuses knowledge, we've conducted a study on bookmarking habits, asked in the general survey how users interact with saved content, and looked through Meta posts to better understand how the Bookmarks feature is used and what needs we can serve better.

In the survey, 62% of respondents reported saving content for future use. One of the surprising uses we learned about was users creating an ad-hoc to-do list with their bookmarks. We also made use of Meta to look through community requests, including requests for better organization, being able to save answers, and even community-supported projects to add notes to your saved content. We felt we had enough feedback to seriously upgrade this experience and build out those desired paths with native support.

An overview of the new features you'll see with Saves:

  • The ability to save answers
  • The ability to create and manage custom lists to better organize saved content
  • The ability to create private notes on saved posts
  • The in:saves search operator (which only shows your own saved posts)

Screenshot of the new "Saves" tab of an imaginary user's Stack Overflow profile page. It displays the new Saves heading in the heading bar.

Here we get to show off the new dedicated tab on your profile page, which serves to increase visibility of the new knowledge reuse tools. On the left, you'll see the new "For later" section, which is where saved content defaults to. This was inspired by those users who used bookmarking as a way to create a to-do list for later site activities – but the sorting fun doesn't end there.

Screenshot showing a custom list of saved posts on an imaginary user's Stack Overflow profile page. It displays an example of a private note on a saved post.

Not only can you create multiple saved lists, but now you can also leave specific private notes for each saved question or answer. Use this as you see fit – collect thoughts, remind yourself why you saved a post in the first place, or draft responses. These notes are private to you, as are all of your lists and saves.


FAQs

What will happen to my existing bookmarks?

We will be migrating over your existing bookmarks into the default “For later” Saves list. Once we enable the Saves feature, the migration process will take some time to process as there are millions of bookmarked questions to migrate over. If you’re not seeing any questions you previously bookmarked, that means they haven’t been processed yet.

What sites will the Saves feature be available on?

The Saves feature will be available network-wide on Stack Overflow and the Stack Exchange sites. However, Stack Overflow for Teams is not included in the initial rollout.

Can I save a post to multiple lists?

Currently, we are only allowing a post to be saved to a single list.

Will my saved posts and lists be public?

Nope! When we launch, all of the saved posts, custom lists, and private notes you create will be private moving forward. The existing Bookmarks tab on your network profile page will also be rebranded to Saves and made private.

Are you adding any new badges?

Absolutely! With the ability to save answers now, we will be adding two new badges for you to earn: Favorite Answer (Silver Badge) and Stellar Answer (Gold Badge), awarded when answers are saved by 25 and 100 users, respectively. The badge list will be updated to reflect these new additions.

What happens to the existing badges I’ve earned with the previous bookmarks feature?

We will be carrying over the existing badge progress associated with the Favorite Question and Stellar Question badges.

Can moderators see my saved posts and private notes?

Moderators will not be able to see or interact with your saved posts and private notes.

What happens if a post I saved has been deleted?

We will be preserving the existing behavior: If you have the access to moderator tools privilege, you will be able to see deleted posts in your saved lists. If you haven't earned this privilege yet, you will only be able to view deleted posts that you have authored.

What changes will be made to search?

We are removing the ability for users to search other users’ saved posts. The current search operators inbookmarks:mine and inbookmarks:<userid> will no longer yield any results. Users can now search their own saved posts using the in:saves search operator. The Help Center page on searching will be updated to reflect this change.

What happens to my saved posts if I have multiple accounts that need to be merged together?

If you have saved posts in both accounts, your saved lists and posts will be merged together when the accounts are merged.

What changes will be made to the user profile and network profile pages?

On your user profile page, the Bookmarks section under Activity > Summary will be hidden now that we have a prominent menu item and Saves will be private. Additionally, the Bookmarks tab on the network profile pages will also be hidden as we re-evaluate how this will work with answers being supported now. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and will provide future updates on this.


We're really excited to address so many requests as part of this upcoming upgrade. Let us know what you think of the new features!

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    Please add the featured tag. Sep 13 at 15:01
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    "Will my saved posts and lists be public? Nope!" Finally!. Thank you!! Sep 13 at 15:04
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    Is the name set in stone? Saves reads like a verb (Mary saves money) and in:saves just makes no semantic sense to me, I would expect in:saved or is:saved instead.
    – terdon
    Sep 13 at 15:04
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    Related feature requests: the "Favorites Tab" section of this answer: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319375/… Would very much love to see all of these requets/concerns addressed here.
    – TylerH
    Sep 13 at 15:10
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    I was about to downvote and explain that "Bookmarks" are a much more simple and known term, and "Saves" is too vague, however, then I read further to discover you're turning this into something much much bigger. Kudos! Sep 13 at 15:10
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    Will Saved posts be available via SEDE? It's very helpful to see who has bookmarked a post currently. I really hope that we (or at least mods) can still see who bookmarked a post and when.
    – Dharman
    Sep 13 at 15:12
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    The concept sounds good, but the name is horrible. Sep 13 at 15:17
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    @TylerH yes of course it is, but in the absence of context it just really feels odd to me. More importantly, an item that has been saved isn't something a native speaker (or at least this native speaker) would ever refer to as "a save". I would perhaps call the action of saving it a save but once saved, whatever it is that was saved is not a save itself. If I grab my hat just as it was flying overboard, you might say "nice save!", but you would be referring to the action I took to save it and not to the hat itself.
    – terdon
    Sep 13 at 15:33
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    It's not clear why the rename is necessary. Bookmarks are already things that users have saved for future revisiting. That's why we renamed the feature from the original Favorites to Bookmarks, because Favorites didn't make sense for how it was used in practices. But it's not clear how we went from confirming that feedback in the survey to wanting to rename the feature to something more generic and confusing. Why is Saves better than Bookmarks here?
    – animuson StaffMod
    Sep 13 at 15:42
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    @animuson that's worthy of new answer, having better chance to get response and making it easier to follow as well. (Personally I thought the same at first, but then realized it's a good idea to make it clear this new thing has much more to it than before) Sep 13 at 15:46
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    Does this mean the bookmark 'vote' type (VoteTypeId = 5) will go away, or will saves continue to be stored as votes? Sep 13 at 16:49
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    @RandomPerson we'll add the featured tag once the Saves feature live. Thought it might be a bit premature to do it too early. Thank you!
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 13 at 17:53
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    @RandomPerson that's correct. I'm not sure if this was addressed before (unrelated to Saves) but we're operating on a fiscal year with the current 2nd quarter (July to September) ending in September.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 13 at 18:21
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    @RandomPerson regarding your question re: whether staff can see saved posts for all users, the short answer is no, not from the new user interface. Only users who are logged into their own accounts can view their saved posts.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 13 at 18:28
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    While I like the changes in general, using "saves" as a noun reminds me of the baseball statistic, not the feature currently known as bookmarks (and previously known as favorites).
    – rgettman
    Sep 14 at 19:28

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Moderators will not be able to see or interact with your saved posts and private notes

Bookmarks were an important tool in the process of identifying voting fraud. I understand that mods should not interact with users' saved posts, but is there a good reason why mods cannot see them?

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    If it's indeed an important tool for identifying voting fraud, I'd say show mods a list of all the user's saved posts uncatogorized (and obviously without the private notes). In other words, similar to what we have now. Sep 13 at 15:11
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    FWIW, mods can also see someone else's followed posts (which are actually private to anyone). Thus, I agree, I don't see why saved posts can't be seen by mods. Sep 13 at 15:21
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    Plus, with the introduction of more badges, there might be badge fraud. (I don't know what type of person would have 25 or 100 accounts for this, but I can't be surprised by anything anymore.)
    – Laurel
    Sep 13 at 15:25
  • @Laurel I have seen at least one that did it already...
    – Dharman
    Sep 13 at 15:40
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    There was a user request for private content saving and we thought that the more default understanding of "content saved for me" is private.
    – Salmon_of_Wisdom StaffMod
    Sep 14 at 16:56
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    It should be private in the same sense that followed posts are private. Mods should be able to see it so that they can investigate abuse.
    – Dharman
    Sep 14 at 16:57
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    @Salmon_of_Wisdom If a user really wants private content saving they can use a browser bookmark; no one but them will know it is bookmarked. I think mods have a need to be able to see what users bookmark and how they organize them. Maybe hide private notes from mods (like how Strava has a private notes field only the uploader can see for runs or bike rides you upload), but mods at least need to see the ones that are bookmarked and in what lists.
    – TylerH
    Sep 15 at 13:35
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Keep the name of the feature as "Bookmarks/Bookmarking" or find a more appropriate term.

Expanding on what terdon has already pointed out,

The definition of save as a noun:

  • In various sports, a block that prevents an opponent from scoring.
  • (baseball) When a relief pitcher comes into a game leading by 3 points
  • (runs) or less, and his team wins while continually being ahead.
  • (professional wrestling, slang) A point in a professional wrestling match when one or more wrestlers run to the ring to aid a fellow wrestler who is being beaten.
  • (computing) The act, process, or result of saving data to a storage medium.
  • (role-playing games) A saving throw.

This is not a good way to describe bookmarking a page so you can refer to it later. It implies making a copy that isn't going to change. Using "save" as a noun in the context of saving a link in a list is likely to confuse some people. If I "save" a web page in my browser, it downloads it to my disk.

Sure, most technical people fluent in English won't have trouble understanding it, but why not just continue to use the most appropriate and well-understood term?

bookmark noun (COMPUTER)
an address on the Internet that you record so that you can quickly find something again:
Add this website to your bookmarks.

I can't find a learner's dictionary that has the computing sense of "save" as a noun. The only definition they have is the sporting one: "block that prevents an opponent from scoring".

I understand wanting to differentiate this new feature from the old style bookmarks, but I don't think that is a good enough reason to avoid using the most commonly understood terms. Organizing bookmarks into lists and annotating them is not a new thing. There are probably good translations already in place for bookmarking terms.

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This is a great feature, thank you! I just don't quite understand why you need a name change from something clearly understandable (bookmarks) to something very confusing. "Saves", to me, reads like a verb, not a noun. Yes, we have saves in various sports, but that refers to the action of saving and not to the object that was saved.

I would perhaps call the action of saving something a save but once saved, whatever it is that was saved is not a save itself. If I grab my hat just as it was flying overboard, you might say "nice save!", but you would be referring to the action I took to save it and not to the hat itself.

The only other case I can think of where save is used as a countable noun referring to the saved item is saved games in computer games. But that is a very, very specific context and isn't really representative of how the word is used by the broader public.

To me, in:saves is semantically jarring and I wouldn't know what a "Saves" section would contain. If you want to change the name to signify that this is more than just a bookmark, can't we go for something like "Saved" or "Saved Posts"?

We could then search for is:saved or in:saved and everything would be semantically clear and proper.

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  • Since we're organizing these items into lists, I would prefer inlist: and be able to specify a list identifier or "all".
    – ColleenV
    Sep 13 at 15:53
  • I don't know if is:saved is quite right... we have is:question is:answer but no is:mine is:accepted is:wiki ... granted the search syntax is all over the place though.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 13 at 15:59
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    @ColleenV fine by me, let's stick with in:saved then. What I really want to avoid is the saves.
    – terdon
    Sep 13 at 16:00
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    Agreed. It's a very coderesque way to name it. Video games have "saves". What we're doing here is bookmarking. We don't get our own immutable copy of the post.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 13 at 16:05
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    I'd just leave it at bookmarks, it's a perfectly fine name for the feature. Putting bookmarks in lists/folders/something is not new, and since they also become private with this change the name fits even better. Sep 13 at 17:17
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    Using "saves" like that seems odd to me too. Maybe it's an American thing (I'm Australian). It's a bit like calling questions "asks"...
    – PM 2Ring
    Sep 13 at 20:46
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    We don't currently have any plans to change the name away from Saves. This is not a unique use of the word in the web space nor in tech. We're sure that most users will understand and the helpdesk is there for folks needing assisstance.
    – Salmon_of_Wisdom StaffMod
    Sep 14 at 16:52
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    For what it's worth, @Salmon_of_Wisdom, I am both a native English speaker and very much in the world of tech and although I can figure out what you mean, it really is strange and semantically jarring. Given that at this point, a majority of SE sites are not about computer stuff, it does seem like a weird choice to use relatively obscure gaming jargon. shrugs
    – terdon
    Sep 15 at 14:40
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    @Salmon_of_Wisdom just because it is possible to explain a term in a help center doesn’t mean there won’t be a huge mental dissonance to overcome. Terms like ‘bookmarks’ or ‘notes’ or ‘markers’ cover the concept far better and make it easier for new users to get to understand what that feature among many does. The sites are overwhelming enough without this extra burden. Sep 16 at 7:30
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    @Salmon_of_Wisdom I don't understand why y'all want to make things harder than they have to be. Renaming bookmarks (again) is a lot of work for not a lot of value to your users. Using "Saves" instead of something like "Clippings" (which has a definition for the correct sense of the word in learner's dictionaries) is going to have negative value to a significant portion of your users. I realize that y'all are in that place where no amount of user feedback is going to change your minds. I'm guessing y'all think you're mostly done with the work to do the rename.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 16 at 15:39
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    It's definitely not an American thing. If I saw "Saves" in this context, I'd have no earthly idea what it means. This is a terrible name. I didn't think they could do worse than calling a service Collectives, but somehow they've managed. At least Collectives was descriptive. Colleen made the point somewhere that coders and/or technical people might understand this. Well, I'm both of those, deeply so, and yet it's not clear to me. Terdon made the point that "Saves" is a gamer thing. That's possible; I'm not a gamer, so I don't recognize that idiom. Maybe pick a name that is universal and clear?
    – Cody Gray
    Sep 17 at 0:02
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    Also, we don't have a "helpdesk", so that doesn't provide anyone with assistance. What's jarring is seeing staff not even know what features exist on the site or what they are named.
    – Cody Gray
    Sep 17 at 0:03
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Some questions about private notes:

  1. Will there be a character limit on private notes? If so, what is it?

  2. Will mini (comment style) markdown be supported in private notes?

    • When I save dupe targets (in my current system), I also include a snip of the solution so that I know what the target is for.
      e.g. my note for How to apply a function to two columns of Pandas dataframe currently looks something like:

      df['Col3'] = df.apply(lambda r: func(r['Col1'], r['Col2'], axis=1)

      This allows me to search my page for the solution to find the corresponding target. For this reason (among others), things like code formatting in private notes would be very helpful.

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    1) Currently, 500 characters. If this turns out to be too few, we can change it. 2) Currently no support for mini markdown.
    – Salmon_of_Wisdom StaffMod
    Sep 13 at 15:31
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What happens if a post I saved has been deleted?

We will be preserving the existing behavior: If you have the access to moderator tools privilege, you will be able to see deleted posts in your saved lists. If you haven't earned this privilege yet, you will only be able to view deleted posts that you have authored.

I feel like this turns the ‘save’ name into a misnomer. Usually, when I save something, I can trust that it remains there until I choose to get rid of it (unless there is an accident).

I don’t particularly care which way this is resolved, though; I’m rather indifferent to the feature, as I don’t use it much (worst case, I can just switch to browser bookmarks). Not that the changes are otherwise bad.

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    It's exactly like browser bookmarks: if the page you've bookmarked is deleted, then it's no longer accessible via the bookmark. The only differences here are: (a) it has an inferior UI that you've never seen before, so you have to learn it for the first time, unlike what is built into your browser; and (b) it has a confusing name that doesn't reflect what it does and isn't used in that context or to mean that thing anywhere else in the world, so you have no chance of figuring it out without just trying it (learning through failure).
    – Cody Gray
    Sep 17 at 0:06
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Allow for searching in specific lists.

I currently have bookmarked a lot of questions that are canonicals for different topics, so I can quickly find them and link them, when needed.

I do love the idea of being able to have a separate list of items that are of personal interest, not something to link to often. However, I would want to be able to choose which list I search through - whether to search for a canonical to use as a duplicate or for something else.

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  • Great idea, but probably is best covered by insaves:mine and "specific text string"; there's no way they can add support for infinitely customizable list names chosen by users.
    – TylerH
    Sep 13 at 15:30
  • @TylerH How about adding a search field on the "Saves" page that searches in whatever list is currently open (or all saves if no list is selected)? And then in:saves would just work as a shortcut. Sep 13 at 15:33
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    @TylerH "there's no way they can add support for infinitely customizable list names chosen by users" pretty sure it's possible. YouTube doesn't stop me from making as many lists of videos as I want. On the technical side, I'm sure it's essentially a list you can give a name to. Custom filters kind of do that already - it's a collection of tags to search and you can name it. You can make many of them, too.
    – VLAZ
    Sep 13 at 15:34
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    I also would like to see inlist:listname or inlist:all and just dump "saves" entirely.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 13 at 15:50
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    Thanks for the feedback. Once we are able to understand the usage of this new feature post-launch we will revisit the requests from Meta for future iterations.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 13 at 22:01
  • @VLAZ It's not about how many lists you make, it's about the system creating keywords to use for searching them. If I make a list called "purpleSucks" should I be able to search in:saves list:purpleSucks? Not likely.
    – TylerH
    Sep 14 at 4:06
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Will I be able to search the "private note" content using the in:saves search operator?

Or will there be a separate operator for the "private note" search?

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    At launch, the in:saves operator will only return a list of saved posts (questions and answers). Private notes will not be returned as part of the search results. Once we can better understand usage with this new and improved feature we can determine priority for future requests.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 13 at 17:59
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    @tanj92 aka "Start a feature request after this is live". :) Sep 15 at 5:58
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    @tanj92 that’s not what is being asked. You are talking about what is shown for each search hit. The question here asks if the private note content is indexed and can be targeted directly to search in. Sep 16 at 7:32
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The proposed changes are neat, but I think you guys had a few changes leak out to production a bit early. The related badges for bookmarked questions (to be "saved" questions) currently have their descriptions changed from "bookmarked" (previously "favorited") to "saved". This has its own dedicated bug report.

Image of the Favorite Question and Stellar Question badges with their descriptions having the "saved" verbiage instead of "bookmarked"

This in concert with an out-of-nowhere design change to the Bookmark icon:

Previous New
Old bookmark image New bookmark image

... And the part where the /user/saves endpoint is available to us suggests that there are some commits leaking out that you didn't intend.

Were any these intentional? If not, I figured you would want to know that we're seeing these changes when we don't yet expect to.

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    I like the new icon a bit better (since the star was very hard to see), though I can't help but look at it and say oh look, the ELL icon!
    – Laurel
    Sep 16 at 14:19
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    The amount of churn we're going to see because they want to rename bookmarks yet again depresses me. We've already made favorites a synonym of bookmarks so questions about the old favorites feature can't be separated from questions about the bookmarks feature. I bet we're going to synonymize bookmarks with saves even though those tagged questions are about the old system. Surely there must be a better use of people's time than trying to replaced "bookmarked" with "saved" everywhere.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 16 at 14:19
  • @ColleenV: In my personal opinion, the functionality of the Saves feature seems different enough from how the Bookmarks feature currently works that it'd probably make sense to keep it as a different tag, and simply edit the [bookmarks] tag wiki to clarify the distinction. But that'd be a decision this community can make for itself.
    – V2Blast StaffMod
    Sep 16 at 15:52
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    Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The new badges (Favorite and Stellar Answer) are hidden for now. This has been addressed in the separate bug reports. This was not intentional until as we were going to save this for when we were ready to launch (hint: it's soon 😁) but we'll leave it up for now.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 16 at 17:00
  • @tanj92 Neat-o! Thanks for the save! As to the bookmark icon, what was the rationale behind that change so close to the save feature launch?
    – Spevacus
    Sep 16 at 17:01
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    @Spevacus the bookmarks icon was deployed yesterday to our design system which was an oversight on our part to not call out in the FAQ section in preparation for the launch soon, but they will be slightly different in that there will be a default state (unfilled) for when posts haven't been saved and filled when they are. This change will be made early next week. This was a mistake on our part to not properly include this in the FAQ and we apologize for the confusion.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 16 at 17:09
  • No worries, @tanj92 , these things happen :) Thanks for staying on top of things and being the person to apologize on behalf of y'all, I know it sucks to be that person. Have a happy weekend :D
    – Spevacus
    Sep 16 at 17:13
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    Appreciate the kind words. I'm stoked and can't wait to release this to everyone soon! You have a great weekend as well.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 16 at 17:28
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    @V2Blast The community didn't decide to synonymize favorites with bookmarks. Staff did. Regardless, I don't particularly care. I'm not going to be a user of that feature, and it's certainly not going to be me that has to deal with any of the fallout from a bad name choice. I just am unable to keep my opinion to myself sometimes :)
    – ColleenV
    Sep 16 at 18:20
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    @ColleenV: In the case of Favorites becoming Bookmarks, there was literally no change other than the name and icon, so it makes sense that staff simply renamed/synonymized the existing tag. In this case, there is actually a change in how the feature works, so I don't think it's as obvious how to handle the tag. (In any case, I'm not a decision-maker on this project; that's just my own opinion.)
    – V2Blast StaffMod
    Sep 16 at 18:41
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Regarding the Favorite Answer (Silver Badge) and Stellar Answer (Gold Badge) requirements, will the number of saves exclude saving by the OP? In other words, is it 25/100 saves by people other than myself for me to earn the badge on one of my answers? Or will saving my own answers contribute (or will it even be possible)?

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    If the existing behaviour of Favourite Question and Steller Question badges is anything to go by, then OP saves will be included. Sep 13 at 18:45
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    I was able to get an official confirmation from a developer working on the feature: the OP is included as this maintains the current behavior of the existing badges.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 14 at 22:48
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What happens if a post I saved has been deleted?

We will be preserving the existing behavior: If you have the access to moderator tools privilege, you will be able to see deleted posts in your saved lists. If you haven't earned this privilege yet, you will only be able to view deleted posts that you have authored.

What happens (on sites where I don't have the access to mod tools privileges) to my private notes if a post I saved has been deleted? Will I still be able to access those notes, or will they be hidden too?

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  • AFAIK, if you don't have 10k rep and if you are not the OP of saved post, you can't see it (also, the note). Sep 19 at 2:08
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    @Random Yes, I realise that the saved post itself will be hidden. I'm only asking about the private notes. I suspect they'll be lost (just like comments on deleted posts), but I'm hoping that the staff can clarify that.
    – PM 2Ring
    Sep 19 at 2:16
  • @PM2Ring comments on deleted post are not lost, they are still there. Users who can see the deleted post can also see the comments. Sep 19 at 6:40
  • @Shadow Yes, I realise that: I have delete privs on 3 sites. But for users without delete privs, any comments they've posted on deleted posts become hidden.
    – PM 2Ring
    Sep 19 at 6:42
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    @PM2Ring I understand, wording just somewhat confusing. Guess "hidden" is correct, since it's something that exists but you can't see, so that's fine. Anyhow, like Random said, I also believe you won't be able to see your private note anymore, until you get enough reputation to see the deleted post. Sep 19 at 6:51
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I'd love to have Markdown integration with my saves. Like if I type a snippet from the title of something I'd saved:

One reason I save questions is so that I can suggest them as references in comments on other questions.

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but the sorting fun doesn't end there.

The "MY LISTS" shown on the left should be easily sortable.

Currently other lists, like "Custom Filters", are sorted alphabetically by default and can't be sorted in any other way (you have to rename the filters if you want a different order). The same goes for the "Hidden Communities List" in the user profile page; it keeps the order of insertion for the sites you have an account in (meaning you have to add and remove sites from the hidden list to force a different sort order).

I think it would be an important feature that the new "MY LISTS" listing have some sort of drag and drop sorting. Or at least something (like clickable arrows for example) that allows to easily change the order of items in the list.

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    Are you thinking exclusively of custom sorting or of easier options like bookmark date, last edited date, or post creation date?
    – TylerH
    Sep 14 at 4:09
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    @TylerH I'd be happy if "MY LISTS" just allowed the user to sort the items manually. (It would be better than no sorting option, or how sorting hidden communities works atm.)
    – bad_coder
    Sep 14 at 5:43
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    I wonder how sorting would be stored for custom sorts; either new database tables or cookies. The former seems expensive and the latter seems... clunky and impermanent.
    – TylerH
    Sep 14 at 16:19
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What will happen to the timeline of old questions after bookmarks evolve into Saves?

Let's take a look at one of my old questions' timeline (with vote summaries):

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Will the word "Bookmark" under comment column change to "Saves" for questions which were posted before the announcement of Saves?

Also, how will the timeline look (w.r.t. Saves feature) for new questions after Saves feature gets implemented?

Since Saves is also applicable to answers, how will the timeline of answers look like (w.r.t. Saves feature)? Will it be similar to that of timeline of new questions?

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In terms of why the feature was renamed from Bookmarks to Saves — It was done in part because "save" is a bit more explicit than "bookmark" in terms of what the feature does. Bookmark is a great term for ebooks and browsers. When it comes to content consumption we wanted to make a clear distinction from what you would see with a browser's bookmark feature. "Bookmark a question" has a double meaning; do we mean bookmark the tab or the question itself?

I think that Shadow sums it up really nicely in his comment that at first glance, "saves" may seem too vague, but that these updates are actually something much bigger than some minor tweaks to bookmarks.

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    Just a quick question - why not "saved" as opposed to "saves"? I presume it was used in the technial sense of "saving data to a storage location" (for other readers - yes, this is a real term), but it's a bit too jargon-y to be easily parseable by general audience. [basically the same question that ColleenV's answer postulates] Sep 13 at 21:45
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    That’s what I suspected, but “save” does not actually describe this feature better than “bookmark”. A bookmark is a saved link. The new part of this feature is more organizing bookmarks than changing the bookmarks themselves. Even something like “Folio” would be less confusing than “save” as a noun.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 13 at 22:29
  • Collections would be a good name, but probably too similar to these collectives thingies, Sep 14 at 11:12
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    @ColleenV that's the point, with Saves now, you can save multiple things from the same page (as answers can be saved too), it's not about bookmarking links, it's about saving content of interest into lists.
    – SCoSO Staff
    Sep 14 at 13:51
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    @SCoSO It doesn't actually save the content though. It saves a link to the content. Or is it really going to create a copy of the content of the answer/question? Bookmarks are not just links to web pages in common usage. It's also pretty common for them to refer to jumping around within a web page. I empathize with the desire to name it something different, and I know naming stuff is hard, but "Saves" is not a good name for this feature, especially in a global community where many people's first language isn't English.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 14 at 15:07
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    Looking again at the screenshot, why did y'all use "3 Saved Items" instead of just "3 Saves" when describing the list? It's setting up inconsistent language that is going to be confusing. I really think there's a better term out there if "bookmark" is completely unusable for whatever reason.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 14 at 15:24
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    @samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz We also already use Collections as a feature name within Teams. ;)
    – animuson StaffMod
    Sep 14 at 15:24
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    Bookmarks as a term were a thing before the internet, I don't think it is a huge issue that the SE bookmarks work a bit differently than browser bookmarks. I still think bookmarks are the better name for this. Sep 14 at 21:24
  • @MadScientist well, I think we can't change the decision now, however after the change is live, it would be legit to start feature request asking to change the name again. With enough people supporting it, and more important, well explained reasons, they might reconsider. It happened before that they reverted a change only after pushing it, due to popular demand. Sep 15 at 5:55
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    You can make a big improvement to something without having to invent a completely new name for it. 3D Connexion still keeps “mouse’ in their product name. It actually helps people understand what it does as opposed to calling it a “puck” or something.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 15 at 11:24
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    "do we mean bookmark the tab or the question itself?" What? What does this distinction even mean? How would a feature on a website bookmark a tab? I don't know if you're trying to say that instead of bookmarking a URL/URI, you're bookmarking a question, but even that doesn't matter, because we don't ever move questions to a new URI, so there is no distinction. (Unless perhaps if a question gets merged or migrated, but it still redirects. What'll the "save" do?) There is nothing at all explicit about "save" compared to "bookmark". Save is a verb. Talk about a double meaning.
    – Cody Gray
    Sep 17 at 0:10
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Will we be able to see our deleted list? I can see that deletion can be undone if I am quick enough, but if I change my mind about the deletion later, can I still undelete it?

Unrelated but, editing deleted list results in error 500. It's not a very good UX and I hope you will adjust it.

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    I don't think we should be testing the feature just yet, it's not published/ready. Sep 19 at 15:01
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    @ShadowTheKidWizard Hence why I am not listing bugs yet, just suggestions on how to improve it.
    – Dharman
    Sep 19 at 15:02
  • Sure, my point is better wait before we access a page we should not access yet, even if for a good cause, because for all we know, they might change it drastically. Sep 19 at 15:16
  • (The main bug here, which annoys me, is they still let us access those pages, without officially saying "OK, it's ready for your testing, go ahead") Sep 19 at 15:17
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I noticed some redundancy in the "Saves" 'new list creation' command, there's two buttons on the same page that open the create 'New list' popup:

Saves webpage, showing New List popup.

  1. Perhaps it would be better if the blue "+" on the left was replaced with a number, showing the total number of lists.

    Another alternative would be to show your top ten lists, possibly with MRU under that, there's plenty of whitespace on the left to accommodate this.

  2. The "New list" popup doesn't look like it searches and displays your existing lists, so you can either avoid similar naming or copy and modify existing names to avoid some typing.

The "Feedback" offered in this answer is no so much a , it's to comment that the "Saves" webpage isn't at all fully baked (as has already been acknowledged), and that unlike raw cookie dough, raw cake isn't very good - your inviting a bunch of bug reports or feature requests that a better baker could avoid.

I thought we'd moved towards more thorough testing, hopefully this will be the case now.

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    This isn't live yet, the fact we can access this page at all is a bug they don't want to fix for their own internal reasons. Sep 16 at 20:14
  • @sha, I'm not asking for a bug to be fixed, I'm asking for it to be a great UX when it goes live; a subject you frequently bring up, so I don't understand the opposition to this; nor am I curious.
    – Rob
    Sep 16 at 21:30
  • After second read, I understand that, sorry. Sep 17 at 6:27
  • It took me some time to understand the baker analogy and its good humor. I've grown weary of criticism on the board, precisely because of the design changes that caused so much disagreement. I actually think design issues themselves are less disruptive than the disagreement they cause.
    – bad_coder
    yesterday

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