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Update Oct 6

Maintenance is complete: all bookmarks have been migrated to Saves across all network sites, including Stack Overflow. All saves, saved lists, private notes, and bookmarks are now available in Saves.

Update #2 Oct 5

Site is stable again.

Saves is enabled again for all users network wide. Your saves, saved lists, private notes, and migrated bookmarks should be available to you now. Bookmarks that were made during the outage period will be unavailable until we finish migrating tonight.

All bookmarks should migrate tonight. Until then, sites are either fully migrated or not migrated. The only exception is Stack Overflow which is still partially migrated with 360k of 14mil bookmarks migrated.

We have a maintenance window planned starting at 00:00 UTC. If all goes as expected, it should be done by 02:00 UTC.

Update Oct 5

Saves has been temporarily disabled network-wide due to some site performance problems. These problems didn't appear until partway through migrating existing bookmarks into saves. We've temporarily reverted to Bookmarks.

  • All saves, private notes, saved lists, and migrated bookmarks are unavailable. They are still saved in the database and will be available again when we turn Saves back on.
  • All unmigrated bookmarks are currently available while Saves is disabled and Bookmarks is turned on. When we turn Saves on again, we'll resume the migration.

The migration was partially applied and will resume once we've fixed the performance issues and turned Saves back on.

  • Some network sites were completely migrated, and your bookmarks were successfully turned into saves in the "For later" list. These migrated saves are unavailable until Saves is turned back on.
  • Some network sites were not yet migrated at all, and your bookmarks are untouched. These bookmarks are available as they were before the Saves launch.
  • Stack Overflow was the only site partially migrated
    • Around 360k bookmarks were turned into saves
    • Around 14mil bookmarks are still bookmarks

We will post updates on this Meta post as well as on Stack Status.


Update Oct 4

Saves is now officially live on Stack Overflow and across Stack Exchange sites! The migration process will take some time to process as there are millions of bookmarked questions to migrate over. If you’re not seeing any questions you previously bookmarked, that means they haven’t been processed yet.


TL;DR: We're always working to make knowledge more accessible and easier to reuse, so we're excited to announce that we're making some feature updates to facilitate that. Later this quarter, Bookmarks are being renamed to Saves, as well as getting a suite of upgrades to make the feature more useful and robust.

To better understand how the community reuses knowledge, we've conducted a study on bookmarking habits, asked in the general survey how users interact with saved content, and looked through Meta posts to better understand how the Bookmarks feature is used and what needs we can serve better.

In the survey, 62% of respondents reported saving content for future use. One of the surprising uses we learned about was users creating an ad-hoc to-do list with their bookmarks. We also made use of Meta to look through community requests, including requests for better organization, being able to save answers, and even community-supported projects to add notes to your saved content. We felt we had enough feedback to seriously upgrade this experience and build out those desired paths with native support.

An overview of the new features you'll see with Saves:

  • The ability to save answers
  • The ability to create and manage custom lists to better organize saved content
  • The ability to create private notes on saved posts
  • The in:saves search operator (which only shows your own saved posts)

Screenshot of the new "Saves" tab of an imaginary user's Stack Overflow profile page. It displays the new Saves heading in the heading bar.

Here we get to show off the new dedicated tab on your profile page, which serves to increase visibility of the new knowledge reuse tools. On the left, you'll see the new "For later" section, which is where saved content defaults to. This was inspired by those users who used bookmarking as a way to create a to-do list for later site activities – but the sorting fun doesn't end there.

Screenshot showing a custom list of saved posts on an imaginary user's Stack Overflow profile page. It displays an example of a private note on a saved post.

Not only can you create multiple saved lists, but now you can also leave specific private notes for each saved question or answer. Use this as you see fit – collect thoughts, remind yourself why you saved a post in the first place, or draft responses. These notes are private to you, as are all of your lists and saves.


FAQs

What will happen to my existing bookmarks?

We will be migrating over your existing bookmarks into the default “For later” Saves list. Once we enable the Saves feature, the migration process will take some time to process as there are millions of bookmarked questions to migrate over. If you’re not seeing any questions you previously bookmarked, that means they haven’t been processed yet.

What sites will the Saves feature be available on?

The Saves feature will be available network-wide on Stack Overflow and the Stack Exchange sites. However, Stack Overflow for Teams is not included in the initial rollout.

Can I save a post to multiple lists?

Currently, we are only allowing a post to be saved to a single list.

Will my saved posts and lists be public?

Nope! When we launch, all of the saved posts, custom lists, and private notes you create will be private moving forward. The existing Bookmarks tab on your network profile page will also be rebranded to Saves and made private.

Are you adding any new badges?

Absolutely! With the ability to save answers now, we will be adding two new badges for you to earn: Favorite Answer (Silver Badge) and Stellar Answer (Gold Badge), awarded when answers are saved by 25 and 100 users, respectively. The badge list will be updated to reflect these new additions.

What happens to the existing badges I’ve earned with the previous bookmarks feature?

We will be carrying over the existing badge progress associated with the Favorite Question and Stellar Question badges.

Can moderators see my saved posts and private notes?

Moderators will not be able to see or interact with your saved posts and private notes.

What happens if a post I saved has been deleted?

We will be preserving the existing behavior: If you have the access to moderator tools privilege, you will be able to see deleted posts in your saved lists. If you haven't earned this privilege yet, you will only be able to view deleted posts that you have authored.

What changes will be made to search?

We are removing the ability for users to search other users’ saved posts. The current search operators inbookmarks:mine and inbookmarks:<userid> will no longer yield any results. Users can now search their own saved posts using the in:saves search operator. The Help Center page on searching will be updated to reflect this change.

What happens to my saved posts if I have multiple accounts that need to be merged together?

If you have saved posts in both accounts, your saved lists and posts will be merged together when the accounts are merged.

What changes will be made to the user profile and network profile pages?

On your user profile page, the Bookmarks section under Activity > Summary will be hidden now that we have a prominent menu item and Saves will be private. Additionally, the Bookmarks tab on the network profile pages will also be hidden as we re-evaluate how this will work with answers being supported now. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and will provide future updates on this.


We're really excited to address so many requests as part of this upcoming upgrade. Let us know what you think of the new features!

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    "Will my saved posts and lists be public? Nope!" Finally!. Thank you!! Sep 13, 2022 at 15:04
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    Is the name set in stone? Saves reads like a verb (Mary saves money) and in:saves just makes no semantic sense to me, I would expect in:saved or is:saved instead.
    – terdon
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:04
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    Related feature requests: the "Favorites Tab" section of this answer: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319375/… Would very much love to see all of these requets/concerns addressed here.
    – TylerH
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:10
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    I was about to downvote and explain that "Bookmarks" are a much more simple and known term, and "Saves" is too vague, however, then I read further to discover you're turning this into something much much bigger. Kudos! Sep 13, 2022 at 15:10
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    Will Saved posts be available via SEDE? It's very helpful to see who has bookmarked a post currently. I really hope that we (or at least mods) can still see who bookmarked a post and when.
    – Dharman
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:12
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    The concept sounds good, but the name is horrible. Sep 13, 2022 at 15:17
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    @TylerH yes of course it is, but in the absence of context it just really feels odd to me. More importantly, an item that has been saved isn't something a native speaker (or at least this native speaker) would ever refer to as "a save". I would perhaps call the action of saving it a save but once saved, whatever it is that was saved is not a save itself. If I grab my hat just as it was flying overboard, you might say "nice save!", but you would be referring to the action I took to save it and not to the hat itself.
    – terdon
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:33
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    It's not clear why the rename is necessary. Bookmarks are already things that users have saved for future revisiting. That's why we renamed the feature from the original Favorites to Bookmarks, because Favorites didn't make sense for how it was used in practices. But it's not clear how we went from confirming that feedback in the survey to wanting to rename the feature to something more generic and confusing. Why is Saves better than Bookmarks here?
    – animuson StaffMod
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:42
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    @animuson that's worthy of new answer, having better chance to get response and making it easier to follow as well. (Personally I thought the same at first, but then realized it's a good idea to make it clear this new thing has much more to it than before) Sep 13, 2022 at 15:46
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    @ShadowTheKidWizard I'm pleased to announce that Saves is now officially live on Stack Overflow and across the network sites!
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 4, 2022 at 16:47
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    Woke up to this fire! I love the smell of website instability in the morning right before my vacation. Scaling to the millions is always tricky... We are on the final stages of testing a PR to address this, all going well everything should be re-enabled in a few hours. We'll then resume migrations tonight, no data will be lost (soft-deletion FTW). Thank you for your patience folks, we're excited for you to see this new feature, and to work with you on constantly improving it over time. Apologies for the delay and any inconveniences this is causing.
    – Felippe Rangel StaffMod
    Oct 5, 2022 at 15:15
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    If you have suddenly decided to get rid of bookmarks without asking, and now want me to spend my time making notes on certain questions/answers because Stack's search engine is so poor... are you going to give me a way to back up these notes (on my computer) in case you decide to get rid of this feature later also without asking? Oct 5, 2022 at 16:58
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    Saves are back up, we'll be monitoring and migrating bookmarks slowly. Official comments on it coming soon to the main post.
    – Felippe Rangel StaffMod
    Oct 5, 2022 at 18:53
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    @gnat not the case, the Saves feature is it's own architecture separate from all of that (unlike Bookmarks which were technically just votes). If there's a bug in Roomba it's something else.
    – Felippe Rangel StaffMod
    Oct 6, 2022 at 13:22
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    @ShadowTheKidWizard I'll leave it to the people handling the post's discretion, if they want to share they will. But TL/DR is that our code had some hard-to-test holes that only showed up when we threw millions of rows at it. After that and some index optimization at the database level we were ok.
    – Felippe Rangel StaffMod
    Oct 6, 2022 at 13:24

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Keep the name of the feature as "Bookmarks/Bookmarking" or find a more appropriate term.

Maybe something along the lines of "Notebook" (as suggested in the comments) would be a better name, which would lead to "save in my notebook", "saved items", and "in:notebook". It would also make sense as a name if the feature were further expanded to include other sorts of notes or information organization.

Expanding on what terdon has already pointed out,

The definition of save as a noun:

  • In various sports, a block that prevents an opponent from scoring.
  • (baseball) When a relief pitcher comes into a game leading by 3 points
  • (runs) or less, and his team wins while continually being ahead.
  • (professional wrestling, slang) A point in a professional wrestling match when one or more wrestlers run to the ring to aid a fellow wrestler who is being beaten.
  • (computing) The act, process, or result of saving data to a storage medium.
  • (role-playing games) A saving throw.

This is not a good way to describe bookmarking a page so you can refer to it later. It implies making a copy that isn't going to change. Using "save" as a noun in the context of saving a link in a list is likely to confuse some people. If I "save" a web page in my browser, it downloads it to my disk.

Sure, most technical people fluent in English won't have trouble understanding it, but why not just continue to use the most appropriate and well-understood term?

bookmark noun (COMPUTER)
an address on the Internet that you record so that you can quickly find something again:
Add this website to your bookmarks.

I can't find a learner's dictionary that has the computing sense of "save" as a noun. The only definition they have is the sporting one: "block that prevents an opponent from scoring".

I understand wanting to differentiate this new feature from the old style bookmarks, but I don't think that is a good enough reason to avoid using the most commonly understood terms. Organizing bookmarks into lists and annotating them is not a new thing. There are probably good translations already in place for bookmarking terms.

It is weird that the bookmark icon was retained for "Saves" instead of the floppy disk icon normally associated with saving. If the concept were really that different, I assume retaining the old icon would be a source of confusion.

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    I went trawling for a comment or post to upvote, but I didn't find one. So here: I do not care about the change in nomenclature.
    – Michael
    Oct 5, 2022 at 16:06
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    @Michael Do you care if it stays Bookmarks or becomes something other than Saves? You're entitled to not care... just seeking clarification on whether you particularly like Saves or just don't care what the feature is named.
    – ColleenV
    Oct 5, 2022 at 17:00
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    Great question. If it were changed to "bulldozers" or "colorless green ideas," I'd maybe object. But between "Bookmarks" and "Saves," it just doesn't rise to the level that it bothers me. And I'm a little surprised to see two of the top three answers specifically decrying the name change.
    – Michael
    Oct 5, 2022 at 17:07
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    Something like "Saved Content" would be better grammatically but is obviously less succinct. Saves is just pretty jarring to me. I'd even prefer something like... save to your "binder," "diary," or "notebook" since there's additional features coming to supplement this, such as notes and new ways to organize your saved content.
    – Pluto
    Oct 6, 2022 at 13:48
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    @Pluto I like the idea of referring to it as a notebook or some similar thing. It would pave the way for future enhancements. For example, organizing drafts of questions or answers you're writing, keeping citation links you use a lot for certain topics, etc. Saves doesn't really inspire people to think of what it could evolve into, and any further evolution is probably going to require yet more renaming churn.
    – ColleenV
    Oct 6, 2022 at 15:33
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    @Michael Do you not care for yourself or for everyone? How about other groups of people, such as non-native English speakers for example?
    – DavidG
    Oct 7, 2022 at 15:26
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    @DavidG Anyone's entitled to opinions that differ from mine. I think it's fine to hold those opinions on behalf of oneself or on behalf of other people. Sometimes I make assertions on behalf of others, but here only for myself. What's a little disconcerting is that this is the second @-comment (the first apparently deleted) suggesting that my lack of preference is rooted in disregard for other groups. I'm trying to assume best intentions, but maybe I need to assume harder.
    – Michael
    Oct 7, 2022 at 16:19
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    @Michael I think it was a good thing for you to express your opinion in a comment so that others can upvote it if they hold a similar view. I deleted my comment because I realized after writing it that I was just trying to talk you out of your opinion which I just said you were entitled to :) I obviously disagree with you but in the grand scheme of things, I don't really care enough to pick a fight over it.
    – ColleenV
    Oct 7, 2022 at 18:51
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    @Michael out of curiosity, were you already familiar with the use of save as a countable noun such as "video game saves"? Maybe it is less jarring to people who were already familiar with it. I know I found it very jarring (enough to post an entire answer!) despite being a techie and a native English speaker. So maybe it seems fine to you because you're already used to the term? Note: not trying to change your mind here, just curious.
    – terdon
    Oct 13, 2022 at 16:32
  • @terdon Yes. It's also a countable noun in sports, but the Stack Exchange use more directly mirrors video games saves.
    – Michael
    Oct 13, 2022 at 21:14
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Moderators will not be able to see or interact with your saved posts and private notes

Bookmarks were an important tool in the process of identifying voting fraud. I understand that mods should not interact with users' saved posts, but is there a good reason why mods cannot see them?

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    If it's indeed an important tool for identifying voting fraud, I'd say show mods a list of all the user's saved posts uncatogorized (and obviously without the private notes). In other words, similar to what we have now. Sep 13, 2022 at 15:11
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    FWIW, mods can also see someone else's followed posts (which are actually private to anyone). Thus, I agree, I don't see why saved posts can't be seen by mods. Sep 13, 2022 at 15:21
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    Plus, with the introduction of more badges, there might be badge fraud. (I don't know what type of person would have 25 or 100 accounts for this, but I can't be surprised by anything anymore.)
    – Laurel
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:25
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    @Laurel I have seen at least one that did it already...
    – Dharman
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:40
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    There was a user request for private content saving and we thought that the more default understanding of "content saved for me" is private.
    – Salmon_of_Wisdom StaffMod
    Sep 14, 2022 at 16:56
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    It should be private in the same sense that followed posts are private. Mods should be able to see it so that they can investigate abuse.
    – Dharman
    Sep 14, 2022 at 16:57
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    @Salmon_of_Wisdom If a user really wants private content saving they can use a browser bookmark; no one but them will know it is bookmarked. I think mods have a need to be able to see what users bookmark and how they organize them. Maybe hide private notes from mods (like how Strava has a private notes field only the uploader can see for runs or bike rides you upload), but mods at least need to see the ones that are bookmarked and in what lists.
    – TylerH
    Sep 15, 2022 at 13:35
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This is a great feature, thank you! I just don't quite understand why you need a name change from something clearly understandable (bookmarks) to something very confusing. "Saves", to me, reads like a verb, not a noun. Yes, we have saves in various sports, but that refers to the action of saving and not to the object that was saved.

I would perhaps call the action of saving something a save but once saved, whatever it is that was saved is not a save itself. If I grab my hat just as it was flying overboard, you might say "nice save!", but you would be referring to the action I took to save it and not to the hat itself.

The only other case I can think of where save is used as a countable noun referring to the saved item is saved games in computer games. But that is a very, very specific context and isn't really representative of how the word is used by the broader public.

To me, in:saves is semantically jarring and I wouldn't know what a "Saves" section would contain. If you want to change the name to signify that this is more than just a bookmark, can't we go for something like "Saved" or "Saved Posts"?

We could then search for is:saved or in:saved and everything would be semantically clear and proper.

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    Since we're organizing these items into lists, I would prefer inlist: and be able to specify a list identifier or "all".
    – ColleenV
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:53
  • I don't know if is:saved is quite right... we have is:question is:answer but no is:mine is:accepted is:wiki ... granted the search syntax is all over the place though.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:59
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    @ColleenV fine by me, let's stick with in:saved then. What I really want to avoid is the saves.
    – terdon
    Sep 13, 2022 at 16:00
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    Agreed. It's a very coderesque way to name it. Video games have "saves". What we're doing here is bookmarking. We don't get our own immutable copy of the post.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 13, 2022 at 16:05
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    I'd just leave it at bookmarks, it's a perfectly fine name for the feature. Putting bookmarks in lists/folders/something is not new, and since they also become private with this change the name fits even better. Sep 13, 2022 at 17:17
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    Using "saves" like that seems odd to me too. Maybe it's an American thing (I'm Australian). It's a bit like calling questions "asks"...
    – PM 2Ring
    Sep 13, 2022 at 20:46
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    We don't currently have any plans to change the name away from Saves. This is not a unique use of the word in the web space nor in tech. We're sure that most users will understand and the helpdesk is there for folks needing assisstance.
    – Salmon_of_Wisdom StaffMod
    Sep 14, 2022 at 16:52
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    For what it's worth, @Salmon_of_Wisdom, I am both a native English speaker and very much in the world of tech and although I can figure out what you mean, it really is strange and semantically jarring. Given that at this point, a majority of SE sites are not about computer stuff, it does seem like a weird choice to use relatively obscure gaming jargon. shrugs
    – terdon
    Sep 15, 2022 at 14:40
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    @Salmon_of_Wisdom just because it is possible to explain a term in a help center doesn’t mean there won’t be a huge mental dissonance to overcome. Terms like ‘bookmarks’ or ‘notes’ or ‘markers’ cover the concept far better and make it easier for new users to get to understand what that feature among many does. The sites are overwhelming enough without this extra burden. Sep 16, 2022 at 7:30
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    @Salmon_of_Wisdom I don't understand why y'all want to make things harder than they have to be. Renaming bookmarks (again) is a lot of work for not a lot of value to your users. Using "Saves" instead of something like "Clippings" (which has a definition for the correct sense of the word in learner's dictionaries) is going to have negative value to a significant portion of your users. I realize that y'all are in that place where no amount of user feedback is going to change your minds. I'm guessing y'all think you're mostly done with the work to do the rename.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 16, 2022 at 15:39
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    It's definitely not an American thing. If I saw "Saves" in this context, I'd have no earthly idea what it means. This is a terrible name. I didn't think they could do worse than calling a service Collectives, but somehow they've managed. At least Collectives was descriptive. Colleen made the point somewhere that coders and/or technical people might understand this. Well, I'm both of those, deeply so, and yet it's not clear to me. Terdon made the point that "Saves" is a gamer thing. That's possible; I'm not a gamer, so I don't recognize that idiom. Maybe pick a name that is universal and clear?
    – Cody Gray
    Sep 17, 2022 at 0:02
  • @CodyGray A save is something in football (that's Association Football, or soccer): it's what goalkeepers make when stopping the ball from passing the goal line into the net. Oct 5, 2022 at 10:43
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    @AndrewLeach yes, that's the same use as in the second paragraph, the action of saving something but not the thing itself.
    – terdon
    Oct 6, 2022 at 4:59
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    @Salmon_of_Wisdom I don't think I've seen "Saves" used elsewhere, do you have other examples?
    – DavidG
    Oct 7, 2022 at 15:29
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What happens if a post I saved has been deleted?

We will be preserving the existing behavior: If you have the access to moderator tools privilege, you will be able to see deleted posts in your saved lists. If you haven't earned this privilege yet, you will only be able to view deleted posts that you have authored.

I feel like this turns the ‘save’ name into a misnomer. Usually, when I save something, I can trust that it remains there until I choose to get rid of it (unless there is an accident).

I don’t particularly care which way this is resolved, though; I’m rather indifferent to the feature, as I don’t use it much (worst case, I can just switch to browser bookmarks). Not that the changes are otherwise bad.

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    It's exactly like browser bookmarks: if the page you've bookmarked is deleted, then it's no longer accessible via the bookmark. The only differences here are: (a) it has an inferior UI that you've never seen before, so you have to learn it for the first time, unlike what is built into your browser; and (b) it has a confusing name that doesn't reflect what it does and isn't used in that context or to mean that thing anywhere else in the world, so you have no chance of figuring it out without just trying it (learning through failure).
    – Cody Gray
    Sep 17, 2022 at 0:06
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    @CodyGray If it's walks like a bookmark and it quacks like a bookmark, why is it still called "saves"? I'm having a hard time understanding the logic... Oct 5, 2022 at 16:38
  • You and me both, @iBug. I guess Stack Overflow didn't want to let Jesus be the only one who Saves.
    – Cody Gray
    Oct 6, 2022 at 23:43
  • @ibug - trying to beat a dead horse back to life with branding, by doing the least work possible, like changing the name of a button which does both for them, all the while being a better data collection platform. I missed the part when favorites became bookmarks; now it's saves which work just like my browser. Except now it's all 'in house'. - How does your name begin with a lowercase i followed by a capital letter, and you don't know this?
    – Mazura
    Oct 14, 2022 at 5:31
  • "Can staff see the Saves of all users?" – Random Person Sep 13 at 15:42. - I mean, it's on their computer; somebody gets to see it. I want to be able to make personal notes anywhere. Except that goes against the (true, unadulterated) SE model. - My favorite part is the popup. Because who doesn't like popups for some shit they didn't ask for?
    – Mazura
    Oct 14, 2022 at 5:40
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Some questions about private notes:

  1. Will there be a character limit on private notes? If so, what is it?

  2. Will mini (comment style) markdown be supported in private notes?

    • When I save dupe targets (in my current system), I also include a snip of the solution so that I know what the target is for.
      e.g. my note for How to apply a function to two columns of Pandas dataframe currently looks something like:

      df['Col3'] = df.apply(lambda r: func(r['Col1'], r['Col2'], axis=1)

      This allows me to search my page for the solution to find the corresponding target. For this reason (among others), things like code formatting in private notes would be very helpful.

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    1) Currently, 500 characters. If this turns out to be too few, we can change it. 2) Currently no support for mini markdown.
    – Salmon_of_Wisdom StaffMod
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:31
  • @Salmon_of_Wisdom A natural question along the same lines is whether private notes will suport MathJax - on the sites that use MathJax. Fingers crossed to see some of this implemented at some future point. (I did not want to post this a separate answer - since comments support MathJax, this probably falls under the notes being "comment style".)
    – Martin
    Dec 20, 2022 at 5:18
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Allow for searching in specific lists.

I currently have bookmarked a lot of questions that are canonicals for different topics, so I can quickly find them and link them, when needed.

I do love the idea of being able to have a separate list of items that are of personal interest, not something to link to often. However, I would want to be able to choose which list I search through - whether to search for a canonical to use as a duplicate or for something else.

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  • Great idea, but probably is best covered by insaves:mine and "specific text string"; there's no way they can add support for infinitely customizable list names chosen by users.
    – TylerH
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:30
  • @TylerH How about adding a search field on the "Saves" page that searches in whatever list is currently open (or all saves if no list is selected)? And then in:saves would just work as a shortcut. Sep 13, 2022 at 15:33
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    @TylerH "there's no way they can add support for infinitely customizable list names chosen by users" pretty sure it's possible. YouTube doesn't stop me from making as many lists of videos as I want. On the technical side, I'm sure it's essentially a list you can give a name to. Custom filters kind of do that already - it's a collection of tags to search and you can name it. You can make many of them, too.
    – VLAZ
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:34
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    I also would like to see inlist:listname or inlist:all and just dump "saves" entirely.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:50
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    Thanks for the feedback. Once we are able to understand the usage of this new feature post-launch we will revisit the requests from Meta for future iterations.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 13, 2022 at 22:01
  • @VLAZ It's not about how many lists you make, it's about the system creating keywords to use for searching them. If I make a list called "purpleSucks" should I be able to search in:saves list:purpleSucks? Not likely.
    – TylerH
    Sep 14, 2022 at 4:06
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    @TylerH It should be something like in:saves.purpleSucks. It should select saves and then subselect purpleSucks and start the search. Why do you say not likely?
    – TheMaster
    Oct 8, 2022 at 16:58
  • @TheMaster I am aware of several sensible ways it work from a front-end perspective. That's not my concern. My concern is with storing a potentially infinite number of custom searches in their database. Based on how they store the custom filters it could be not a scalable thing. If they have the table architected such that they only need one new column and can save each custom filter as a row, then sure that might work fine. But if they store filter options as columns... yeah no.
    – TylerH
    Oct 10, 2022 at 13:28
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Will my saved posts and lists be public? Nope! […] The existing Bookmarks tab on your network profile page will also be rebranded to Saves and made private.

Oh no! This breaks my workflow… I think public bookmarks are a good way of showcasing important questions, e.g. for lists of canonical (duplicate-target) topics. This was very helpful for curating content. I don't need no private lists, the followed posts feature solved that for me just fine. So I have a

Please allow making individual lists public and searchable. It doesn't need to be (and probably shouldn't be) public by default, but it's an important aspect of the current bookmarking system to keep as an option.

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    "I don't need no private lists" So what? By default things should be private. If the user want they may have the option to make things public but by default things should be private.
    – Jason Liam
    Oct 6, 2022 at 19:12
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    @JasonLiam That's exactly what I am proposing. I don't have anything against private lists, I agree they're the better default, it's just that I personally have no need for them.
    – Bergi
    Oct 6, 2022 at 21:41
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    An option to make some lists public could evolve into a great tool for both annotation and collaboration. Annotation: Another way to navigate the Stack Overflow maze (examples: 1) FAQs for a particular area in JavaScript 2) A list of important questions to review first for beginners in X (e.g., common pitfalls)). Collaboration: For example, 'Help me find the canonical questions for this list of low-scored questions with low-quality answers'. The follower numbers for such lists could be used as a rough indication of their quality or importance. Oct 7, 2022 at 2:03
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    If lists themselves could items in lists, this could create a web and aid discoverability. Oct 7, 2022 at 2:12
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    I have shared a link to my bookmarks on one of the SE sites on a post on another website as some kind of a list of "here are things on this specific topic that are really nice to check out". It's probably from a few years ago but people still occasionally find it. Now that link is broken >_< Oct 11, 2022 at 7:32
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    @This_is_NOT_a_forum I'd rather have a markdown description text for the list (which could also contain links to other things) than to have lists containing lists
    – Bergi
    Oct 11, 2022 at 18:50
  • Not sure this justifies a separate post, but I would even suggest another step forward to collaborative lists. i.e. not only they are public, they can be edited by multiple users. This even further supports the curating efforts and having a duplicate list for a specific subject curated by multiple people can be really (really) useful!
    – Tomerikoo
    Jan 30 at 11:51
  • @Tomerikoo Reminds me of the still-relevant feature request of making the tag wiki more visible. Such collaborative lists would be very useful for FAQs, but they already kind of exist, e.g. for Python; unfortunately, nobody that needs this list will ever find it. There’s also the tag search sorted by “Frequent”, but it’s not easily editable. Jan 30 at 15:38
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Lists with items in them could prompt before you can delete them.

People do dumb things. Since you can't really recover a list, or the items in them, it might be nice to warn folks that everything in a list that's deleted is gone. This wouldn't make sense with an empty list but the moment there's an item, and especially an annotation for the item, letting people know about potential data loss seems like a good idea.

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Can there be a way to undo un-saving a post?

At the moment, accidentally clicking the button leaves you with no recourse:

Unsaving a save shows a banner that "(Post) removed from saves", but gives the user no means to undo that action, and no way to access the post again to resave it

I really like how this works with Followed posts, where the "X" turns into a "Follow" button, and you can undo your mistake just as easily as you made it.

Refollowing an unfollowed post

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    I agree, just lost 1 save without warning.
    – bad_coder
    Oct 6, 2022 at 7:14
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/

You told me about the new feature; no need to repeat on every single site.

Every time I open a post on any SE site, I get this popover message:

A popover saying: "New! Save questions or answers and organize your favorite content.
Learn more."

...unless I have previously dismissed it on that specific site.

I appreciate that this is a new cool feature and we want users who aren't following Meta to be informed about it. The only problem is that dismissing the popover only stops it from appearing on the current site, so one would have to dismiss it at least* once on every site upon visiting, which is pretty annoying.


* It will appear more than once on a single site if you open multiple posts before dismissing it.

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  • Yeah, this is so awfully annoying. I clicked on this meta post exactly to point it out or upvote an answer that already did. I closed this at least 5 times just today. Oct 14, 2022 at 13:13
  • I really don't get why they did this particular regression. I seem to remember a different feature they introduced a couple years ago as well which had the exact same notification and the exact same annoying prompt on every single new site.
    – Nzall
    Oct 14, 2022 at 13:39
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    Thanks for the feedback. For now, the popover has been disabled on all sites except for Stack Overflow.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 14, 2022 at 18:15
  • @tanj92 it also shows here on Meta. I also don't like that it returns after logging out. See meta.stackexchange.com/questions/383257/…
    – CodeCaster
    Oct 27, 2022 at 13:30
  • @CodeCaster the Saves popover has been disabled on Stack Overflow. We do not have any current plans to re-enable it for Saves. We appreciate the feedback Meta has shared and will take this into consideration for future popovers we deploy.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 28, 2022 at 22:07
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There should be some way to check which list a saved post is in, and what private notes you have given it — from the post's page.

Currently, you can see that a post is saved on its page, but to see what list it is in, or to read the notes you have to find the post in the All saves list.

Mock-up:

mockup: saved post showing (circled): which list it is in, and the private note below

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    Are our minds in sync? lol We posted literally at the same time :)
    – geekley
    Oct 6, 2022 at 0:07
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I think it would be desirable to have the right side of the Saves MY LISTS display the number of posts saved in each list item. This would also be consistent with the Communities in the User profile where the right side displays reputation per site. (Overall most listings in the User profile have numbers, the Saves list itself is feeling partially empty.)

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  • numbers should be right-aligned Oct 6, 2022 at 22:58
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    @ElementsinSpace it's my rendition of a sampled freehand circle oscillator inside a rectangle envelope.
    – bad_coder
    Oct 6, 2022 at 23:32
  • I like the numbers where they are.
    – user803868
    Nov 10, 2022 at 23:17
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    Thanks for the suggestion, this has been ticketed for a future release.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Dec 1, 2022 at 19:07
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Change the wording "You have no saved items" shown when a list is empty:

empty list screenshot

This is misleading as it implies no saved items at all. Please change to:

You have no saved items in this list

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Will I be able to search the "private note" content using the in:saves search operator?

Or will there be a separate operator for the "private note" search?

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    At launch, the in:saves operator will only return a list of saved posts (questions and answers). Private notes will not be returned as part of the search results. Once we can better understand usage with this new and improved feature we can determine priority for future requests.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 13, 2022 at 17:59
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    @tanj92 aka "Start a feature request after this is live". :) Sep 15, 2022 at 5:58
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    @tanj92 that’s not what is being asked. You are talking about what is shown for each search hit. The question here asks if the private note content is indexed and can be targeted directly to search in. Sep 16, 2022 at 7:32
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It's possible to move a saved post to a new list, not enter a name for the new list, and click 'Done'. In that case, nothing happens, except that you get a notification

Question saved to .

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    This should be resolved now. When you try to move a saved post to a new list without entering a name an error toast message with "List name cannot be empty." is displayed. Thanks for reporting!
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 11, 2022 at 18:14
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What will happen to my existing bookmarks?
We will be migrating over your existing bookmarks into the default “For later” Saves list. Once we enable the Saves feature, the migration process will take some time to process as there are millions of bookmarked questions to migrate over. If you’re not seeing any questions you previously bookmarked, that means they haven’t been processed yet.

Why can't I access my existing bookmarks per the old interface, until they are migrated? Why do I have to trust, for an unspecified length of time (which has already been many hours), that I will eventually get access again to my hundreds of bookmarks (most of which are essential to how I use Stack Overflow nowadays, since they make it feasible for me to work around the terrible site search and find the canonical duplicates I want more quickly)? Why do site searches using inbookmarks:mine ignore that term silently?

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    I honestly don't understand the logic behind this migration. What should've happened is 1) Copy (not move) the data in bookmarks into Saves. 2) Enable Saves and disable the Bookmarks feature (not remove bookmarks). 3) Wait for a while to make sure that everything works as expected and only then, bookmarks can be removed. Otherwise, Saves can be temporarily disabled and Bookmarks re-enabled with all data preserved while they investigate. Oct 5, 2022 at 8:38
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    One drawback with copy not move is the time lag: you could create new bookmarks which would not be copied. That's probably less of an inconvenience than losing access to all of the migrated bookmarks while it's stalled and turned off. Oct 5, 2022 at 11:35
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    Every data migration I've had to go through (except for that one real shit show that I don't want to talk about) has started with a checkpoint to migrate most of the data over prior to everything going "live" which is then updated with incremental migrations to catch up. This is why I'm far more likely to use a more general bookmarking service than a custom feature. I can back them up if they're important to me.
    – ColleenV
    Oct 5, 2022 at 14:48
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    @AndrewLeach They could prevent changing bookmarks during the migration if that would be an issue, though it would be good for them to give a warning first, and incrementally updating with new changes would be ideal Oct 6, 2022 at 16:32
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Can you add the ability to move saves to a new list in-bulk?

Since everything was migrated to the "For later" list, I'm now wanting to sort my saves into better-fitting lists.

But I have 65 of them on this site, and each one I want to move requires 5 clicks and several seconds to send to a new list... while a somewhat minor complaint, I can't imagine what this process would be like for someone with hundreds of such saves.

It would be really, really useful to be able to e.g. click a checkbox next to a bunch of saves in a given list and then move all of the selected ones to another list at once.

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    I think this is the same FR as this one but you posted earlier.
    – bad_coder
    Oct 7, 2022 at 5:40
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All item lists (with 1 member) say "1 saved items":

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    Thanks for reporting, the translations hadn't gone out for this one yet. Should be all fixed now!
    – Felippe Rangel StaffMod
    Oct 7, 2022 at 11:12
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New Saves dialogs are draggable but cannot be moved

The three new Saves dialogs: "Edit list", "New List", and "Move to" would all appear to be draggable as the cross arrows pointer appears over the title, like so:

image of cross arrow pointer on Move to dialog

However, these dialogs cannot be dragged.

Tabbing to the title of the new dialogs

A connected issue may be that it is possible to tab to the title using the tab key, and a black border appears when the title has the focus.

It appears that the dialog cannot be moved using the keyboard either (pressing up or down arrow scrolls the underlying page and pressing left or right arrow does nothing). This may create accessibility issues.

In the image below, the red circles indicate the tab stops:

tabbing to the title of the Move to dialog

This was tested on Stack Overflow

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    This should be fixed now. Please let us know if it's still an issue on your end. Marking as status-completed. Thanks!
    – tanj92 Staff
    Nov 28, 2022 at 15:56
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There currently appears to be no way to add a post to an empty Saves list

Here is one way to reproduce this:

  1. Click on the Saves button
  2. Click on the + button and create two new Saves list named, for example: "one" and "two"

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  1. Click on the Saves icon next to an unsaved question or answer
  2. Click on the "Manage" button in the toast message and click on "For later"
  3. The drop down list does not show any empty Saves lists, namely, neither "one" nor "two are listed

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Interestingly, if you click on "Create new list" and try to create a new list called "one", for example, then you will see the "List name already exists" error message after clicking "Done".

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I suspect that this may have been working correctly at some time and this bug has been introduced recently. I believe that another answer to this question shows that empty lists were possible at some point:

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    Basically the same thing happens if you have a non-empty list and remove the post(s) from your saves. Once the list is emptied, it is no longer shown in the dropdown when saving a question or an answer. (+1 from me - I planned to report this as a bug, but I did not find the time.)
    – Martin
    Nov 24, 2022 at 11:58
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    @Martin Yes, that was in fact how I first saw the error message, but I forgot to add that method when writing the bug report.
    – PeterJames
    Nov 24, 2022 at 12:05
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    Thanks for reporting! This appears to be a recent bug, could have been affected from another bug we addressed. It's been ticketed in our backlog.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Nov 28, 2022 at 22:41
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    A fix has been deployed. Please let me know if you're still experiencing issues.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Dec 8, 2022 at 22:22
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    @tanj92 made my day :) I'm already enjoying the functionality!
    – bad_coder
    Dec 8, 2022 at 23:38
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Currently, the user count of people who've "Saved" a post is no longer shown. Is this intentional? Will the number be brought back in the post listing?

Vote score and saves icon

Formerly:

Previous vote score and saves icon

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    99% sure it's on purpose because Saves are private, while Bookmarks and Favorites used to be public. Oct 6, 2022 at 8:16
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    @ShadowTheKidWizard votes are also private yet vote scores are shown...
    – bad_coder
    Oct 6, 2022 at 8:17
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    @bad_coder One provides useful info, the other provides absolutely nothing (people bookmarking something doesn't mean they're saving something because it's good)
    – Kevin B
    Oct 6, 2022 at 14:35
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    @KevinB On the other hand, there are badges tied to the number of users that saved a question (and new corresponding badges for answers). Showing the number would help track the progress toward these for interested users.
    – Shaido
    Oct 7, 2022 at 2:15
  • Badges, that, award something that doesn't represent reality, of course. It can still be tracked within your profile.
    – Kevin B
    Oct 7, 2022 at 2:22
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    @bad_coder the short answer to your question about whether this is intentional/by-design is yes. There are not current plans to bring this back with the Saves launch.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 11, 2022 at 18:00
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    @tanj92 and the long answer? Is this declined, or is there still a chance it would be reconsidered, in the future? Dec 5, 2022 at 15:30
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Searching for in:saves on sites where one doesn't have any saved posts returns a list of all (non-deleted) posts ever created, rather than returning zero results:

in:saves on Super User returns ~1.2m results

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Please let us delete lists without having to edit them first:

mockup of delete list button

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Minor quibble, but a bug nonetheless:

Attempting to un- or re-save a post that's already been un- or resaved errors out.

E.g. if you have multiple tabs open, and try to save the same post in each, the second time the action will show an error:

Saving the same post in multiple browser tabs shows an error on the second tab

For reference, with Followed posts, clicking the follow button just works on both tabs regardless.

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    This also happens when you go back some pages (via the browser back button) to re-save after accidentally removing a save.
    – Laurel
    Oct 11, 2022 at 21:20
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    Thanks for reporting. This might be considered an edge case but it's been ticketed, nonetheless.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 18, 2022 at 20:26
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Navigating to https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/saves/current works - it shows your own saves.

But the URL is inconsistent with how other user pages work: https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/current redirects for me to https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/295232/glorfindel.

Is it on purpose that https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/saves/current does not redirect to https://meta.stackexchange.com/users/saves/295232?

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    Also, something I found interesting: clicking on the "Saves" tab of the user profile shows the "All saves" list by default (which makes sense to me); that list page is located at a URL of /users/saves/<userID>/all. However, the URL /users/saves/current itself specifically shows the "For later" list under Saves, because that list page is located at the URL /users/saves/<userID>.
    – V2Blast StaffMod
    Oct 4, 2022 at 17:41
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Set a default list other than “For later.” Or, be able to rename the existing default list.

I'd say 90% of my bookmarks are to keep for permanent reference, and 10% are “for later.” Hence, I'd like the save button to put something into my “Reference” list by default, and then have the option to move it.

Currently my options are:

  • Move saves from For later to Reference 9/10 times. That's 5 clicks rather than 1.
  • Use the For later as my reference list, and make a separate “actually for later” list. That's confusing.
  • Ignore the whole feature and treat For later as classic bookmarks.
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Typing “in:saves” into the all-sites search box on https://stackexchange.com doesn't work. The first time I tried it, it returned one result from MSE (if I remember correctly). Now, I get “an unexpected error occurred”. I would expect (or rather, hope) that it will give me saves from all sites.

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    AFAIK, user operators syntax never works on network-wide search, e.g. user:me, in:saves, intags:me. Oct 10, 2022 at 15:54
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    @MetaAndrewT. In that case, still would be nice to get an error message that says so.
    – Kevin Reid
    Oct 10, 2022 at 16:50
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I get that there's a purpose in telling users about a new feature. But does it have to be done individually for every single Stack Exchange site? I've seen this box about 20 times already. Can't that check be network-wide? At the very least, meta sites don't need to display this when I've already seen it on their corresponding main site.

Pop-up info dialog about the 'save' feature

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    Yeah, they do it every time, despite numerous requests to not do it. Anything that includes dismissing a banner must be done on each site, over and over and over again. Oct 14, 2022 at 7:38
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    Thanks for the feedback. For now, the popover has been disabled on all sites except for Stack Overflow.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 14, 2022 at 18:15
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    This may be a response to 41686d6564 stands w. Palestine's answer. Oct 15, 2022 at 14:06
  • @tanj92 thanks, and hope one day it will be simple (code wise) to tie something to the user's network account, thus making such things easier to implement. Oct 15, 2022 at 14:07
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    @This_is_NOT_a_forum no, those are duplicate answers, it's common when there are lots of answers so it's hard to find if what you have to say was already said before. Oct 15, 2022 at 14:09
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Ok. Lovely change. Nice that all the bookmarks (previously named favorites) are MOVED.

But how do I access those moved items from the API??

I have an automation on the /users/{ids}/favorites which now returns NOTHING. https://api.stackexchange.com/docs/favorites-on-users

Get the questions bookmarked (previously known as "favorited") by users identified by a set of ids.

Did the API get left behind in the planning of this change or did I miss something?

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    I fear it is - with the mobile apps deprecated, updating the API is low on the priority list (if it will be updated at all - it's a non-trivial change, unlike the renaming of favorites to bookmarks).
    – Glorfindel Mod
    Oct 6, 2022 at 8:39
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    And considering that Saves are private now, probably only /me/favorites (or perhaps renamed to /me/saves) will be used... Oct 10, 2022 at 15:48
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    As part of the Saves launch, I failed to communicate anything about the API in the FAQ section, however we have tickets created to do some investigation of the current API usage and determine what steps we need to take to either support the existing features (i.e. saved questions but only for your account) and/or potentially creating a new set of APIs for Saves. Once we have a plan finalized, we will communicate back to Meta.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 18, 2022 at 17:23
  • Also asked about in a separate MSE post here: API request for "favorites" now returning an empty list – is there a way to get something equivalent for saves? – the same official response is also posted as an answer there.
    – V2Blast StaffMod
    Oct 18, 2022 at 18:34
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Regarding the Favorite Answer (Silver Badge) and Stellar Answer (Gold Badge) requirements, will the number of saves exclude saving by the OP? In other words, is it 25/100 saves by people other than myself for me to earn the badge on one of my answers? Or will saving my own answers contribute (or will it even be possible)?

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    If the existing behaviour of Favourite Question and Steller Question badges is anything to go by, then OP saves will be included. Sep 13, 2022 at 18:45
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    I was able to get an official confirmation from a developer working on the feature: the OP is included as this maintains the current behavior of the existing badges.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 14, 2022 at 22:48

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