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Update Oct 6

Maintenance is complete: all bookmarks have been migrated to Saves across all network sites, including Stack Overflow. All saves, saved lists, private notes, and bookmarks are now available in Saves.

Update #2 Oct 5

Site is stable again.

Saves is enabled again for all users network wide. Your saves, saved lists, private notes, and migrated bookmarks should be available to you now. Bookmarks that were made during the outage period will be unavailable until we finish migrating tonight.

All bookmarks should migrate tonight. Until then, sites are either fully migrated or not migrated. The only exception is Stack Overflow which is still partially migrated with 360k of 14mil bookmarks migrated.

We have a maintenance window planned starting at 00:00 UTC. If all goes as expected, it should be done by 02:00 UTC.

Update Oct 5

Saves has been temporarily disabled network-wide due to some site performance problems. These problems didn't appear until partway through migrating existing bookmarks into saves. We've temporarily reverted to Bookmarks.

  • All saves, private notes, saved lists, and migrated bookmarks are unavailable. They are still saved in the database and will be available again when we turn Saves back on.
  • All unmigrated bookmarks are currently available while Saves is disabled and Bookmarks is turned on. When we turn Saves on again, we'll resume the migration.

The migration was partially applied and will resume once we've fixed the performance issues and turned Saves back on.

  • Some network sites were completely migrated, and your bookmarks were successfully turned into saves in the "For later" list. These migrated saves are unavailable until Saves is turned back on.
  • Some network sites were not yet migrated at all, and your bookmarks are untouched. These bookmarks are available as they were before the Saves launch.
  • Stack Overflow was the only site partially migrated
    • Around 360k bookmarks were turned into saves
    • Around 14mil bookmarks are still bookmarks

We will post updates on this Meta post as well as on Stack Status.


Update Oct 4

Saves is now officially live on Stack Overflow and across Stack Exchange sites! The migration process will take some time to process as there are millions of bookmarked questions to migrate over. If you’re not seeing any questions you previously bookmarked, that means they haven’t been processed yet.


TL;DR: We're always working to make knowledge more accessible and easier to reuse, so we're excited to announce that we're making some feature updates to facilitate that. Later this quarter, Bookmarks are being renamed to Saves, as well as getting a suite of upgrades to make the feature more useful and robust.

To better understand how the community reuses knowledge, we've conducted a study on bookmarking habits, asked in the general survey how users interact with saved content, and looked through Meta posts to better understand how the Bookmarks feature is used and what needs we can serve better.

In the survey, 62% of respondents reported saving content for future use. One of the surprising uses we learned about was users creating an ad-hoc to-do list with their bookmarks. We also made use of Meta to look through community requests, including requests for better organization, being able to save answers, and even community-supported projects to add notes to your saved content. We felt we had enough feedback to seriously upgrade this experience and build out those desired paths with native support.

An overview of the new features you'll see with Saves:

  • The ability to save answers
  • The ability to create and manage custom lists to better organize saved content
  • The ability to create private notes on saved posts
  • The in:saves search operator (which only shows your own saved posts)

Screenshot of the new "Saves" tab of an imaginary user's Stack Overflow profile page. It displays the new Saves heading in the heading bar.

Here we get to show off the new dedicated tab on your profile page, which serves to increase visibility of the new knowledge reuse tools. On the left, you'll see the new "For later" section, which is where saved content defaults to. This was inspired by those users who used bookmarking as a way to create a to-do list for later site activities – but the sorting fun doesn't end there.

Screenshot showing a custom list of saved posts on an imaginary user's Stack Overflow profile page. It displays an example of a private note on a saved post.

Not only can you create multiple saved lists, but now you can also leave specific private notes for each saved question or answer. Use this as you see fit – collect thoughts, remind yourself why you saved a post in the first place, or draft responses. These notes are private to you, as are all of your lists and saves.


FAQs

What will happen to my existing bookmarks?

We will be migrating over your existing bookmarks into the default “For later” Saves list. Once we enable the Saves feature, the migration process will take some time to process as there are millions of bookmarked questions to migrate over. If you’re not seeing any questions you previously bookmarked, that means they haven’t been processed yet.

What sites will the Saves feature be available on?

The Saves feature will be available network-wide on Stack Overflow and the Stack Exchange sites. However, Stack Overflow for Teams is not included in the initial rollout.

Can I save a post to multiple lists?

Currently, we are only allowing a post to be saved to a single list.

Will my saved posts and lists be public?

Nope! When we launch, all of the saved posts, custom lists, and private notes you create will be private moving forward. The existing Bookmarks tab on your network profile page will also be rebranded to Saves and made private.

Are you adding any new badges?

Absolutely! With the ability to save answers now, we will be adding two new badges for you to earn: Favorite Answer (Silver Badge) and Stellar Answer (Gold Badge), awarded when answers are saved by 25 and 100 users, respectively. The badge list will be updated to reflect these new additions.

What happens to the existing badges I’ve earned with the previous bookmarks feature?

We will be carrying over the existing badge progress associated with the Favorite Question and Stellar Question badges.

Can moderators see my saved posts and private notes?

Moderators will not be able to see or interact with your saved posts and private notes.

What happens if a post I saved has been deleted?

We will be preserving the existing behavior: If you have the access to moderator tools privilege, you will be able to see deleted posts in your saved lists. If you haven't earned this privilege yet, you will only be able to view deleted posts that you have authored.

What changes will be made to search?

We are removing the ability for users to search other users’ saved posts. The current search operators inbookmarks:mine and inbookmarks:<userid> will no longer yield any results. Users can now search their own saved posts using the in:saves search operator. The Help Center page on searching will be updated to reflect this change.

What happens to my saved posts if I have multiple accounts that need to be merged together?

If you have saved posts in both accounts, your saved lists and posts will be merged together when the accounts are merged.

What changes will be made to the user profile and network profile pages?

On your user profile page, the Bookmarks section under Activity > Summary will be hidden now that we have a prominent menu item and Saves will be private. Additionally, the Bookmarks tab on the network profile pages will also be hidden as we re-evaluate how this will work with answers being supported now. We apologize for any inconvenience this may cause and will provide future updates on this.


We're really excited to address so many requests as part of this upcoming upgrade. Let us know what you think of the new features!

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    "Will my saved posts and lists be public? Nope!" Finally!. Thank you!!
    – 41686d6564
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:04
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    Is the name set in stone? Saves reads like a verb (Mary saves money) and in:saves just makes no semantic sense to me, I would expect in:saved or is:saved instead.
    – terdon
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:04
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    Related feature requests: the "Favorites Tab" section of this answer: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/319375/… Would very much love to see all of these requets/concerns addressed here.
    – TylerH
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:10
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    I was about to downvote and explain that "Bookmarks" are a much more simple and known term, and "Saves" is too vague, however, then I read further to discover you're turning this into something much much bigger. Kudos! Sep 13, 2022 at 15:10
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    Will Saved posts be available via SEDE? It's very helpful to see who has bookmarked a post currently. I really hope that we (or at least mods) can still see who bookmarked a post and when.
    – Dharman
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:12
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    The concept sounds good, but the name is horrible. Sep 13, 2022 at 15:17
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    @TylerH yes of course it is, but in the absence of context it just really feels odd to me. More importantly, an item that has been saved isn't something a native speaker (or at least this native speaker) would ever refer to as "a save". I would perhaps call the action of saving it a save but once saved, whatever it is that was saved is not a save itself. If I grab my hat just as it was flying overboard, you might say "nice save!", but you would be referring to the action I took to save it and not to the hat itself.
    – terdon
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:33
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    It's not clear why the rename is necessary. Bookmarks are already things that users have saved for future revisiting. That's why we renamed the feature from the original Favorites to Bookmarks, because Favorites didn't make sense for how it was used in practices. But it's not clear how we went from confirming that feedback in the survey to wanting to rename the feature to something more generic and confusing. Why is Saves better than Bookmarks here?
    – animuson StaffMod
    Sep 13, 2022 at 15:42
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    @animuson that's worthy of new answer, having better chance to get response and making it easier to follow as well. (Personally I thought the same at first, but then realized it's a good idea to make it clear this new thing has much more to it than before) Sep 13, 2022 at 15:46
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    @ShadowTheKidWizard I'm pleased to announce that Saves is now officially live on Stack Overflow and across the network sites!
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 4, 2022 at 16:47
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    Woke up to this fire! I love the smell of website instability in the morning right before my vacation. Scaling to the millions is always tricky... We are on the final stages of testing a PR to address this, all going well everything should be re-enabled in a few hours. We'll then resume migrations tonight, no data will be lost (soft-deletion FTW). Thank you for your patience folks, we're excited for you to see this new feature, and to work with you on constantly improving it over time. Apologies for the delay and any inconveniences this is causing.
    – Felippe Rangel StaffMod
    Oct 5, 2022 at 15:15
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    @Michael oh you... I see what you did there. In all seriousness though, feel free to bookmark this, any new bookmarks will also be migrated to Saves.
    – Felippe Rangel StaffMod
    Oct 5, 2022 at 16:06
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    Saves are back up, we'll be monitoring and migrating bookmarks slowly. Official comments on it coming soon to the main post.
    – Felippe Rangel StaffMod
    Oct 5, 2022 at 18:53
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    @gnat not the case, the Saves feature is it's own architecture separate from all of that (unlike Bookmarks which were technically just votes). If there's a bug in Roomba it's something else.
    – Felippe Rangel StaffMod
    Oct 6, 2022 at 13:22
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    @ShadowTheKidWizard I'll leave it to the people handling the post's discretion, if they want to share they will. But TL/DR is that our code had some hard-to-test holes that only showed up when we threw millions of rows at it. After that and some index optimization at the database level we were ok.
    – Felippe Rangel StaffMod
    Oct 6, 2022 at 13:24

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Pressing "Cancel" after going to "Add private note" leaves a yellow div behind that doesn't go until the page is reloaded.

Reproduced on Firefox 105 on Windows 10, and Chrome 106 on Android 13.

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    Thank you, I was able to replicate this on my end and it has been ticketed.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 14, 2022 at 18:14
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    A fix has been deployed and I was able to verify on production. I'll be updating the tag to [status-completed]
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 28, 2022 at 22:26
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    I'm a big fan of the test string "lol" in this gif
    – Kyle Pollard StaffMod
    Oct 31, 2022 at 21:16
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Editing/renaming the list for the second time (without refreshing the page) shows the old name:

Demo

Similarily, deleting the list after renaming it shows a toast message with the old name:

Toast message: "Old name has been deleted from your lists"

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    Thanks! This has been ticketed for review in the next sprint.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 11, 2022 at 18:11
  • Yep. I ran into this problem today. Oct 21, 2022 at 13:28
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    A fix has been deployed. As such, I've updated the tag to status-completed. Please let us know if you're still having issues. Thank you!
    – tanj92 Staff
    Nov 11, 2022 at 22:25
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The proposed changes are neat, but I think you guys had a few changes leak out to production a bit early. The related badges for bookmarked questions (to be "saved" questions) currently have their descriptions changed from "bookmarked" (previously "favorited") to "saved". This has its own dedicated bug report.

Image of the Favorite Question and Stellar Question badges with their descriptions having the "saved" verbiage instead of "bookmarked"

This in concert with an out-of-nowhere design change to the Bookmark icon:

Previous New
Old bookmark image New bookmark image

... And the part where the /user/saves endpoint is available to us suggests that there are some commits leaking out that you didn't intend.

Were any these intentional? If not, I figured you would want to know that we're seeing these changes when we don't yet expect to.

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    I like the new icon a bit better (since the star was very hard to see), though I can't help but look at it and say oh look, the ELL icon!
    – Laurel
    Sep 16, 2022 at 14:19
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    The amount of churn we're going to see because they want to rename bookmarks yet again depresses me. We've already made favorites a synonym of bookmarks so questions about the old favorites feature can't be separated from questions about the bookmarks feature. I bet we're going to synonymize bookmarks with saves even though those tagged questions are about the old system. Surely there must be a better use of people's time than trying to replaced "bookmarked" with "saved" everywhere.
    – ColleenV
    Sep 16, 2022 at 14:19
  • @ColleenV: In my personal opinion, the functionality of the Saves feature seems different enough from how the Bookmarks feature currently works that it'd probably make sense to keep it as a different tag, and simply edit the [bookmarks] tag wiki to clarify the distinction. But that'd be a decision this community can make for itself.
    – V2Blast
    Sep 16, 2022 at 15:52
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    Thank you for bringing this to our attention. The new badges (Favorite and Stellar Answer) are hidden for now. This has been addressed in the separate bug reports. This was not intentional until as we were going to save this for when we were ready to launch (hint: it's soon 😁) but we'll leave it up for now.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 16, 2022 at 17:00
  • @tanj92 Neat-o! Thanks for the save! As to the bookmark icon, what was the rationale behind that change so close to the save feature launch?
    – Spevacus
    Sep 16, 2022 at 17:01
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    @Spevacus the bookmarks icon was deployed yesterday to our design system which was an oversight on our part to not call out in the FAQ section in preparation for the launch soon, but they will be slightly different in that there will be a default state (unfilled) for when posts haven't been saved and filled when they are. This change will be made early next week. This was a mistake on our part to not properly include this in the FAQ and we apologize for the confusion.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 16, 2022 at 17:09
  • No worries, @tanj92 , these things happen :) Thanks for staying on top of things and being the person to apologize on behalf of y'all, I know it sucks to be that person. Have a happy weekend :D
    – Spevacus
    Sep 16, 2022 at 17:13
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    Appreciate the kind words. I'm stoked and can't wait to release this to everyone soon! You have a great weekend as well.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Sep 16, 2022 at 17:28
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    @V2Blast The community didn't decide to synonymize favorites with bookmarks. Staff did. Regardless, I don't particularly care. I'm not going to be a user of that feature, and it's certainly not going to be me that has to deal with any of the fallout from a bad name choice. I just am unable to keep my opinion to myself sometimes :)
    – ColleenV
    Sep 16, 2022 at 18:20
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    @ColleenV: In the case of Favorites becoming Bookmarks, there was literally no change other than the name and icon, so it makes sense that staff simply renamed/synonymized the existing tag. In this case, there is actually a change in how the feature works, so I don't think it's as obvious how to handle the tag. (In any case, I'm not a decision-maker on this project; that's just my own opinion.)
    – V2Blast
    Sep 16, 2022 at 18:41
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    @tanj92 hey, any updates on actual ETA of the launch? 😁 Oct 1, 2022 at 6:13
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    It's now been launched ;)
    – V2Blast
    Oct 4, 2022 at 17:40
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If you go to your Saves tab and attempt to save a note longer than 500 characters, it shows this:

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However, it is possible to save a note longer than 500 charaters characters by simply saving the note (in "For Later") this way:

  • Click "Manage" after saving an answer.
  • Write a lengthy essay into the private note space.
  • Save.

If you try to edit the note at the appropriate page after saving the note this way, it will show the toast notification with the error, so we have inconsistency and typos going on.


Since the note is limited to 500 characters, could we also add a "Characters left" counter at the bottom as we do with comments, since it would help keep track and alert you when you're about to overfill the note space?

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    Thanks for the bug report! A ticket has been created for the minor typo and the ability to bypass the 500 character limit in the Manage modal/popup. Re: characters left counter I will circle back with the team on this. For now, the status-review tag is applied to the two bugs.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 11, 2022 at 15:55
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I'd love to have Markdown integration with my saves. Like if I type a snippet from the title of something I'd saved:

One reason I save questions is so that I can suggest them as references in comments on other questions.

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In SOpt I have 252 bookmarks saved posts.

I want to move them from For Later to one of My Lists. Currently, I have two options to accomplish that:

Option 1

  • Go to my profile's Saves page
  • Look for the post I want to move, which is a tedious process, as there are 9 pages of saved posts. Even using different sort options, it's not always straighforward to find it
  • After finding the post in the list, I can move it using the menu:

'move to' menu

  • Repeat it for every post I want to move

Option 2

  • Go to the post's page (usually searching for in:saves some criteria to find the post)
  • Click on the Save icon twice (once to unsave it, once to save it again, so the "Manage" link is displayed), and then click on "Manage" to move it to the desired List
  • Repeat it for every post I want to move

Doing that for 252 posts is... not feasible. Can we have a better way to accomplish that?

Perhaps having some way to filter posts directly in the profile's Saves page, and then select them and move all at once (as suggested here).

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    I think this is the same FR as this one but you posted a few hours later.
    – bad_coder
    Oct 7, 2022 at 5:41
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    It would also be nice to be able to clear saved posts in bulk... I'd generalise it to bulk management tools :D Oct 7, 2022 at 12:18
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    Yes, that would be nice. I once added a special macro to my macro keyboard to help with saving off the URLs to a text document and deleting about 300 bookmarks. Oct 8, 2022 at 12:05
  • My userscript SavedPostsHelper.user.js adds bulk-moving checkboxes. Mar 27, 2023 at 3:48
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When using the keyboard to select a list item after Move to... (for example, pressing s) the drop-down list (DDL) puts the first list starting with the desired letter at the bottom of the DDL.

Move to dialogue list starting with s at the bottom

However, if I've pressed s, it would be convenient that the first item be placed at the top of the DDL, because I want to be looking at lists starting with s. (This way extra scrolling or keystrokes can be avoided.)

Move to dialogue list starting with s at the bottom

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  • I know nothing about the code involved, but wouldn't this behavior be determined by the browser?
    – V2Blast
    Oct 9, 2022 at 5:23
  • @V2Blast afaik SE is implemented in C# + ASP.NET + jQuery, so in the DLL after the HTML is served there should be a bind to JS allowing to customize behavior on keystroke. I don't think it's necessarily browser dependent.
    – bad_coder
    Oct 9, 2022 at 7:01
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My list name clearly isn't empty, however I can't save it, because it is empty.

Printscreen showing the errormessage "List name cannot be empty." while the list name is set to "‍"

I know these characters encode to a zero-width joiner, so I'm technically a bit cheating, but either the error message isn't correct here, as one can clearly see 5 characters in the box, or this just needs to be parsed as plain text before checking on the length of the input.

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  • That depends on the definition of 'empty', I think it is a good idea to include &zwj; in that definition. And while the error could be more explicit like The list name as entered is not allowed to result in the list name as displayed to be blank or so, this would be unnecessarily long because it is already quite clear what the problem is.
    – Marijn
    Oct 12, 2022 at 6:33
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    But wouldn't this be an excellent name for a list if I want to save things about zero-width joiners. It wouldn't be that hard to parse this as just plain text, and not interpret it as anything more then that.
    – Luuklag
    Oct 12, 2022 at 6:51
  • (The Unicode equivalent to &zwj; may be U+200D (decimal 8205).) Oct 15, 2022 at 14:13
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The drop down lists of the "Save to" and "Move to" dialogs are presented in list ID order and not alphabetical order

After clicking the Saves button, the Saves list is presented in alphabetical order in the left hand navigation panel.

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However, the list of Saves in the drop down lists of the "Save to" and "Move to" dialogs are not presented in alphabetical order. Instead, they are presented in list ID order.

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To see the list ID for a particular list, click on a Saves list in the left hand navigation panel and look at the last number of the URL in the address bar. It is then trivial to compare those IDs with the list order in the drop down lists of the two dialogs.

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I suspect that this may have been working correctly at some time and this bug has been introduced recently. I believe that another answer to this question shows that these drop down lists were sorted alphabetically at some point.

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This bug may be connected to this bug report about no way to add a post to an empty Saves list.

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    This has been ticketed, thanks for reporting!
    – tanj92 Staff
    Nov 28, 2022 at 22:58
  • @tanj92 Has this now been fixed? I just noticed that the "Save to" and "Move to" dialogs now present the Saves List in alphabetical order.
    – PeterJames
    Jul 14, 2023 at 9:30
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What happens if a post I saved has been deleted?

We will be preserving the existing behavior: If you have the access to moderator tools privilege, you will be able to see deleted posts in your saved lists. If you haven't earned this privilege yet, you will only be able to view deleted posts that you have authored.

What happens (on sites where I don't have the access to mod tools privileges) to my private notes if a post I saved has been deleted? Will I still be able to access those notes, or will they be hidden too?

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  • AFAIK, if you don't have 10k rep and if you are not the OP of saved post, you can't see it (also, the note). Sep 19, 2022 at 2:08
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    @Random Yes, I realise that the saved post itself will be hidden. I'm only asking about the private notes. I suspect they'll be lost (just like comments on deleted posts), but I'm hoping that the staff can clarify that.
    – PM 2Ring
    Sep 19, 2022 at 2:16
  • @PM2Ring comments on deleted post are not lost, they are still there. Users who can see the deleted post can also see the comments. Sep 19, 2022 at 6:40
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    @Shadow Yes, I realise that: I have delete privs on 3 sites. But for users without delete privs, any comments they've posted on deleted posts become hidden.
    – PM 2Ring
    Sep 19, 2022 at 6:42
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    @PM2Ring I understand, wording just somewhat confusing. Guess "hidden" is correct, since it's something that exists but you can't see, so that's fine. Anyhow, like Random said, I also believe you won't be able to see your private note anymore, until you get enough reputation to see the deleted post. Sep 19, 2022 at 6:51
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Community wiki posts are shown differently than they are in other lists. Is that on purpose? Most questions in Saves show the timestamp, but for community wikis, it's just "Community wiki [author]":

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while that question on the Following tab shows only the timestamp of asking:

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and other questions in the Saves tab do show the asking timestamp:

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After clicking Move to... focus should be set on the drop down list in the next dialogue. (Currently focus is still kept on the background page.)

Move too link and dialogue

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Managing the saves does not work in the mobile version of Safari (tested on an iPhone SE 2020 with iOS 15.7). I can open the menu on a saved item, but tapping on any of the entries (Unsave, Move to..., Add private note) has no effect.

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Can it be made more obvious that Manage is an actual button?

In this screenshot you see me hovering over the Manage button, only then it becomes apparent that it is in fact a button.
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In this screenshot it is obvious that "For Later" is a link, and it is rather intuitive to click on an "x" to make things close, but "Manage" here is formatted pretty similar to the rest of the text in the banner, and therefore hard to distinguish as a button that does something.

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There's a tooltip to notify users of this new feature. On all sites in the network, it links to https://meta.stackexchange.com/help/saves - can it please link to the site's own help center, to avoid a lot of lost souls ending up asking off-topic questions here?

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I like this feature, however, the code needs a callback when all ads have loaded, or, if the height is fixed, a wrapper around the ad. The page moves and makes it look unsightly:

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  • I had noticed this, the problem with putting the popup lower is that it'll be placed at the middle of the screen on some resolutions which arguably doesn't give it proper emphasis. Assuming it's displayed one single time before being dismissed emphasis likely takes precedence of relative placement.
    – bad_coder
    Oct 14, 2022 at 9:59
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    Thanks for the feedback. For now, the popover has been disabled on all sites except for Stack Overflow.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 14, 2022 at 18:14
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There is currently no way to check which list a saved post is in (this has already been reported in this other answer and this other answer to this question).

It would also be useful to have this information/functionality from the Search Results page.

For example, I was looking for a question about "comments" that I had saved with the word "comments" in the title. So, I searched for "in:saves comments".

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Instead of the list of posts displayed in the current Search Results page which gives me no idea in which Saves list the relevant post was saved, I suggest something like below (which is similar to the view displayed when clicking the "All saves" button on the Saves page.

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Suggested improvements

Please add information about which Saves list a post is saved in to the Search Results page.

In addition, it would also be useful to add the three vertical dots menu button with relevant actions.

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Manage (add, remove, rename, default, public) lists on network profile, to be inherited on all sites.

I expect to want the same kinds of lists (For later, Reference, etc.) on all SE sites. It looks like I'll have to set them up on each site profile individually. Then I'll have to remember to do that whenever I join another site.

I'd rather set them once and maybe be able to override them on any one site. The network profile already provides an inheritance system for profile info, so perhaps it could do the same for list preferences.

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What will happen to the timeline of old questions after bookmarks evolve into Saves?

Let's take a look at one of my old questions' timeline (with vote summaries):

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Will the word "Bookmark" under comment column change to "Saves" for questions which were posted before the announcement of Saves?

Also, how will the timeline look (w.r.t. Saves feature) for new questions after Saves feature gets implemented?

Since Saves is also applicable to answers, how will the timeline of answers look like (w.r.t. Saves feature)? Will it be similar to that of timeline of new questions?

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    Looks like it's completely removed from the timeline. And the action of saving a post also doesn't add new entries to the timeline. It's still best to get an official answer from staff to confirm that this is the intended behavior though.
    – 41686d6564
    Oct 6, 2022 at 8:08
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Can staff members really not see the Saves of a user?

tanj92 said this in their comment:

@RandomPerson regarding your question re: whether staff can see saved posts for all users, the short answer is no, not from the new user interface. Only users who are logged into their own accounts can view their saved posts.

Does this really mean that no one other than the user can see the user's Saves? Or can a staff member with moderator privilege see the Saves of a user?

Also what do you exactly mean by "not from the new user interface"? I have no idea of which interface you're talking about. So, if a new interface is built, can staff members see the Saves of a user?

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    Staff members with database access can (obviously) see your saves. That information is not end-to-end encrypted (and why should it?) They just can't see it while visiting the site, while e.g. they are able to see individual votes.
    – Glorfindel Mod
    Oct 5, 2022 at 19:40
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    Sounds to me like there is currently (and in the future) no interface that would show you the saves of another user, regardless of your privileges (user, moderator, staff). Of course there's probably staff with the privilege to impersonate users, and there's database admins, but "normal" support staff will not be able to access anyone's saves.
    – Bergi
    Oct 5, 2022 at 19:40
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    What @Glorfindel said is correct. We can still access them from the database (e.g. SEDE) but if I were to navigate to someone's profile today, I wouldn't be able to see them even if I had mod privileges.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Oct 5, 2022 at 19:54
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    @Bergi "impersonate users"? What do you mean? Oct 6, 2022 at 2:19
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    @tanj92 Can appointed moderators (example: Glorfindel) access a user's Saves using SEDE? Can non-moderators (example: me) access other user's Saves using SEDE? Oct 6, 2022 at 2:21
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    @RandomPerson by SEDE, I believe it's SE's own internal SEDE, not the public SEDE. Oct 10, 2022 at 15:41
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Could you make the toast messages more explicit with list names1 (e.g., double quotations, etc.) to avoid miscommunication? I would prefer to see something like:

The "List name" list has been deleted [from your lists].

instead of:

  • Styling has been deleted from your lists.
  • this has been deleted from your lists.2

1 This should apply to all toast messages that include the name of a list.

2 this is a keyword in several programming languages, so it's not unlikely that someone might have a list named "this".

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The "New list" input box does not appear after selecting "Create new list" on the new "Save to" dialog in at least one situation, as described below.


  1. select "Triage" from the REVIEW QUEUES drop down menu on the top bar on (Stack Overflow)
  2. click "History"
  3. click on an action in the Action column (Looks OK, Flag, etc.) of a post which has not already be added to any Saves list
  4. click on the "Saves" icon (which turns orange for me on SO)
  5. click on "Manage" in the toast message which appears at the top of the screen
  6. click on "For later" in the drop down list box and select "Create new list" from the bottom of the list box
  7. the input box with the "New list" placeholder text does not appear
  8. click on "Done" and a toast error message appears: "List name cannot be empty."

This was tested on the first four review queues of Stack Overflow.

Only the Triage Review Queue demonstrated this behavior.

enter image description here

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  • The same issue exists for Chemistry SE so it's not a site issue. Thanks for bringing it up Oct 25, 2022 at 10:26
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    Hello, we recently discovered that the Saves icon was inherited on the review queues. Previously, with bookmarks, it was intentionally hidden. Given that bookmarks were not enabled before, we have decided to remove the Saves icon from review queues. As such, I've updated the tag to status-declined.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Nov 7, 2022 at 19:58
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The Saves icon (of a Saved post) is not highlighted on the Review tasks page of a reviewed task

While working through the review queues, I regularly add posts to my Saves lists. Every now and then, I review my progress by clicking on the History page for a review queue. I then click on the link in the Action column (Looks OK, Share Feedback, etc.) to display the Review summary page for the reviewed task.

Today, I reviewed a post in this way that I was sure I had already saved. But there was no highlight, so I clicked on the Saves icon again. A "Save this question" tooltip appeared next to the Saves icon and "An error occurred" message appeared at the top of the screen.

On further investigation, it turns out that I had indeed saved this post before, but this information (i.e. the highlit Saves icon) was not being displayed on the Review summary page.

To reproduce this effect:

  1. display a review queue (for example, the First questions queue on Stack Overflow)
  2. click History to display the history page
  3. click on a post title link in the Task column to display a post
  4. add the post to a Saves list by clicking the Saves icon
  5. return to the History page
  6. click on the relevant action link in the Action column
  7. the Saves icon will be gray whereas the Saves icon will be highlit on the post page

enter image description here If there were an answer which had been added to a Saves list, then clicking on the Answers tab from the Review summary page would also show that the Saves icon of that answer was not highlighted.

Please note that if the post had not been previously Saved to a Saves list, then it is possible to add/remove the post to/from a Saves list, which I presume is the expected behavior.

Vote icons are also not highlit

As an aside, if I had cast a vote during the review process then the vote icons are also not highlit (see green circles on first image) but I have not investigated this further.

This was tested on the first four review queues of Stack Overflow

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  • Hello, based on my recent comment in another bug report, the Saves button has been disabled from Review Queues. As such, I will be adding the status-declined tag.
    – tanj92 Staff
    Nov 10, 2022 at 18:08
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Currently, there seems to be no link from the page of a saved post to where I can edit its private notes, "Move to..." another list, etc.

Suggested improvement

Please change what is currently the "unsave" action (clicking the active bookmark icon again) to the same as the "Manage" button on the toast message instead of "unsaving" right away.

Then, inside the "Manage" popup dialog, please add a "Delete" or "Unsave" button. I may want to go back after saving a post and add a private note, and I should be able to do so directly from the post page.

This suggested improvement would be similar to how the bookmark button works in browsers such as Firefox, for example. Clicking the star in Firefox again shows the options for that save, and you can remove the favorite from there or edit it.

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    Exactly! I think everyone will run into this at some point.
    – Joachim
    Oct 23, 2022 at 12:04
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but the sorting fun doesn't end there.

The "MY LISTS" shown on the left should be easily sortable.

Currently other lists, like "Custom Filters", are sorted alphabetically by default and can't be sorted in any other way (you have to rename the filters if you want a different order). The same goes for the "Hidden Communities List" in the user profile page; it keeps the order of insertion for the sites you have an account in (meaning you have to add and remove sites from the hidden list to force a different sort order).

I think it would be an important feature that the new "MY LISTS" listing have some sort of drag and drop sorting. Or at least something (like clickable arrows for example) that allows to easily change the order of items in the list.

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    Are you thinking exclusively of custom sorting or of easier options like bookmark date, last edited date, or post creation date?
    – TylerH
    Sep 14, 2022 at 4:09
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    @TylerH I'd be happy if "MY LISTS" just allowed the user to sort the items manually. (It would be better than no sorting option, or how sorting hidden communities works atm.)
    – bad_coder
    Sep 14, 2022 at 5:43
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    I wonder how sorting would be stored for custom sorts; either new database tables or cookies. The former seems expensive and the latter seems... clunky and impermanent.
    – TylerH
    Sep 14, 2022 at 16:19
  • @TylerH new column in the SavedLists table, with a number implying the list position in the custom sort. Oct 6, 2022 at 8:18
  • @ShadowTheKidWizard So, potentially infinitely more columns in that table? One for each custom sort each user creates? That doesn't scale well.
    – TylerH
    Oct 6, 2022 at 17:01
  • @TylerH no. Each row in the table is one custom list. There will be one single additional column used for the sort. Note, I'm talking in theory only, based on how I'd implement it, it might be totally different in SE code. Oct 6, 2022 at 17:16
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I think the vertical space between saved posts is too much and the design could be slightly more compact. If you add notes the empty vertical space becomes even more apparent, see the highlighted sections in the screenshot:

two saved posts with a note

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Make handling of links to deleted posts consistent with that of feature.


From end user perspective Saves and Follow-post are much similar because both features provide a way for users to create and edit lists of links to posts.

One noticeable difference is in the way how these lists handle links to deleted posts: Saves automatically delete such links (I would expect that this is complemented by automatic recovery in case of undeletion) while Follow-post list keeps such links and just provides users an option to remove them manually.

For smoother user experience suggest that both features use the same way of handling links to deleted posts. For this, one of them should change its current way to one used in another.


At the moment I don't have strong reasons to tell which of two ways is better. My personal preference goes to the way how it is done in Follow-post feature, primarily because it looks less likely to interfere with auto-deletion scripts, as discussed eg in this bug report at MSO: Roomba hasn't run for the past two weeks and over 2800 questions evaded it.

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    I'd say that the correct answer is that should not remove links to deleted posts. You can save deleted posts; why should you only be able to do so if they're already deleted?
    – Ryan M
    Oct 27, 2022 at 11:54
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Users without access to moderator tools privilege are not able to view deleted posts that they have authored in their saved lists

With reference to:

What happens if a post I saved has been deleted?

We will be preserving the existing behavior: If you have the access to moderator tools privilege, you will be able to see deleted posts in your saved lists. If you haven't earned this privilege yet, you will only be able to view deleted posts that you have authored.

However, I do not have the access to moderator tools privilege and I cannot view deleted posts that I have authored in my saved lists.

The following screenshot shows that I have two posts "Saved" to my "To review" list. One of them is a highly voted question (with a simple private note added) and the other is my own deleted answer (to another question).

enter image description here

Under the list title the phrase "1 saved item" appears and there is only one saved item in the list (the highly voted question). In the "Move to" dialog, the item text states "To review (2)" proving that my deleted post is present in the list but not visible to me.

This was only tested on Stack Overflow with deleted answer posts.

Steps to reproduce:

  1. Assuming you are a user without the access to moderator tools privilege
  2. Create a saved list, e.g. "To review"
  3. Add any (not deleted) question or answer to this "To review" saved list
  4. Add any deleted answer of yours to this "To review" saved list (deleted answers can be accessed by scrolling down to the bottom of the Answers tab)
  5. Click on the Saves button and click on "To review" in MY LISTS
  6. Click on the three vertical dots menu button located at the top right of an item in the list
  7. Click on "Move to..."
  8. The number of saved items under the "To review" list title on the underlying page will be less than the number in brackets in the dialog next the "To review" list title
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    A fix has been deployed. Please let us know if you're still experiencing issues. Thank you!
    – tanj92 Staff
    Nov 28, 2022 at 15:59
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Stack Overflow was the only site partially migrated

Does this mean it takes a seriously long time to migrate all bookmarks to saves? I understand there are over 180 sites and surely millions of bookmarks, but why does it take such a long time to migrate?

You could view my question as: is the long amount of time it requires to change due to the duplications of the new tables, lists, queries, etc. for bookmarks -> saves?

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    Simply there are few greater horrors than need to batch process data in bulk. Oct 5, 2022 at 15:18
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    It does take a long time. Take a look at when Reddit banned half of a subreddit, which was around 300k users. For comparison, we moved more than 14 million bookmarks from Posts2Votes into a new table for Saves.
    – Kyle Pollard StaffMod
    Oct 6, 2022 at 1:48
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After migration from Bookmarks to Saves, neither is now available on stackexchange.com anymore

Pic attached refers. In the area marked in red I used to be able to access bookmarks from all of my accounts.

This was especially handy when I needed to lookup a bookmark but I couldn't remember on which account (some topics may fit multiple SEs in some cases).

Now that ability seems gone.

Has it been moved somewhere else, is it temporarily disabled or has it been killed altogether?

bookmarks and saves gone

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    It is explicitly mentioned under the last FAQ of the announcement that this tab will not be available on the network profile for now.
    – animuson StaffMod
    Oct 8, 2022 at 17:02
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    @animuson why roll out a feature if it's half-baked? The aggregation was the entire reason I used bookmarks. I relied on it. I'll now have to go to each SE site one-by-one to migrate them elsewhere. Also, "for now." Your comment is over a year old, and aggregation is still unavailable. Oct 25, 2023 at 15:50

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