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I've seen the tag popping up a few times this past month. I'm wondering, do we really need it? It doesn't seem to have much long-term utility, though I may turn out to be wrong on that. Should we be editing it out?

I ask because of a pending suggested-edit on the wiki.

(Sorry if we aren't supposed to make meta-posts about specific tags.)

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    Well, the strike has been on for a month and half now, not sure when 'long-term' kicks in :(
    – andrew.46
    Jul 19, 2023 at 1:31
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    Wow, has it really been that long?
    – pppery
    Jul 19, 2023 at 1:43
  • Where else would one meta posts about meta tags or if they are metatags ? Jul 19, 2023 at 2:08
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    What if we use one tag for all strikes, past, present and future? Then time tha is taking the current strike and the steikes happening in other places, I. E. Reddit, make it look that strikes will be occurring more and more frequently
    – user1359324
    Jul 19, 2023 at 3:43
  • @Wicket there wasn't a strike in the past. Back in 2019 many mods retired or stepped down as mods, which is different. Jul 19, 2023 at 8:31
  • Related: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/337237/…. (TL;DR: it didn't result in new tags) Jul 19, 2023 at 8:33
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    Name it moderation-strike-2023, just in case there is another one… also don’t forget to tag staff posts with it. Jul 19, 2023 at 8:36
  • @pppery Start was Monday June 5th 2023.
    – Mast
    Jul 19, 2023 at 14:57
  • In addition to Meta Stack Exchange, Meta Stack Overflow has a tag called moderation-strike, too. It seems that there aren't other sites with this tag at the moment: stackexchange.com/filters/447605/moderation-strike
    – Martin
    Jul 19, 2023 at 15:42
  • ... except for Academia main, which has a tag for this but they call it just "moderation" instead.
    – pppery
    Jul 19, 2023 at 16:01
  • The moderation-strike tag doesn't even include meta.stackexchange.com/q/390106 or meta.stackexchange.com/q/389811, which makes it seem not very useful.
    – jamesdlin
    Jul 19, 2023 at 17:57
  • @jamesdlin They do now, probably as a result of you pointing that out. Thanks for noticing.
    – tripleee
    Jul 20, 2023 at 7:33

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Yes

All that matters here is that there are enough questions about the moderation strike to warrant a tag, which there seem to be. Tags don't need "long-term utility", or else we wouldn't have , for instance.

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Yes, but it may be more practical to use words other than "strike".

Stack Exchange doesn't use the word "strike" (probably for legal reasons). So Stack Exchange's own posts will never be tagged with "moderation-strike". As a result, this tag becomes less useful. If there is a compromise in the choice of words to use, I think it is good to go with it.

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    Agreed, if the purpose is to tag staff posts with it as well, the name may have to change. Otherwise it's fine imo and its existence is warranted Jul 19, 2023 at 14:24
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No

Unless this is a feature provided by the site, I don't see why this should be present. Will the site provide a strike feature for whoever wants to? Will it provide moderators to limit their access to mod tools and privileged information for the duration they want to strike? How about general users? And everyone seems to have their own definition of what the strike means anyway. What does any strike entail actually? Just shouting out "I'm on strike" on the site at every chance you get, to anyone who does or doesn't want to know? Or is it only about curation, such as not up/down voting, not doing user level review/moderation, not doing mod level moderation, not visiting/interacting with the site at all, etc? In this case all of these operations are voluntary, and has been so regardless of any kind of strike. What about the opposite? What if someone is against the strike, or against some people's notion that whole "community" is on strike just because they are? What if someone is neutral? Do they get their own tags?

Having a separate tag for this does not seem necessary.

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    It is a meaningful event in the history of Stack Exchange. It affects management, it's mentioned by the CEO himself in interviews, etc. Jul 19, 2023 at 7:10
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    "meaningful" is subjective. There have been lots of other meaningful events in the history of the site, I don't think each one had their own tag. Also doesn't really address any points I raised in my post. Some users volunteering to not do certain actions on the site that are voluntary to begin with, is not a significant event imho
    – user13267
    Jul 19, 2023 at 7:54
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    There are several "meta" tags that do not correspond to features. For example, there is no announcement feature yet there is an announcement tag. Jul 19, 2023 at 8:54
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    You seem to have a lot of questions about the strike. If you wanted to understand it better, you could post a question about them, and use a "strike" tag, should it be created - if you wanted to understand it better.
    – JonathanZ
    Jul 19, 2023 at 14:28
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    @MisterMiyagi are you really comparing something generic like "announcement" to some online drama that few people think should be considered significant? Just because some things that aren't exactly "features" have a tag, doesn't mean every non-feature needs their own tag. Have a generic "drama" tag instead then, so that it can apply to things other than strikes
    – user13267
    Jul 21, 2023 at 1:17
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    @JonathanZ I don't see where you see I "seem to be having" questions about the strike , except for adding the piece of snark at the end of your comment. I don't have any questions about it (people who want to post they are "on strike", and post links to other posts about strike at every chance they get keep trying to make sure of that). I do have differing opinion on it, which it seems you aren't allowed to post without the risk of getting downvoted or being accused as a troublemaker
    – user13267
    Jul 21, 2023 at 1:20
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    I just noticed the huge number of question marks in your answer, and very small number of straight-out statements. But if you are bothered by the idea of people who disagree with you downvoting your answer (which is how downvotes work on Meta), then I can understand why you would be hesitant to make statements.
    – JonathanZ
    Jul 21, 2023 at 3:55
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    @JonathanZ look closely and you'll see non of those are about "understanding" the strike if thats what you are thinking. And you may be taking just this one post at its face value, but the sentiment i expressed here is based on my experience on this site, others metas and other SE sites, and the general attitudes i have seen there. If i was bothered by the downvotes i wouldnt post this because i know from the general attitude in SE sites that the strike supporting mob is going to come and dv any opinion like this.
    – user13267
    Jul 21, 2023 at 4:41
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    And look at the first word in this answer. NO by itself is a complete statement as an answer to the OP
    – user13267
    Jul 21, 2023 at 4:44
  • @user13267 Yes I was, since „feature-ness“ seems to be the only concrete statement in this answer. Feel free to edit in whatever that point about drama is supposed to say (I am guessing that it is a temporary event; but there too are tags for such things, as the other answer already pointed out). Jul 21, 2023 at 5:15
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    @MisterMiyagi read it again and find out that „feature-ness“ isn't the only concrete statement here. One could argue those who want to oppose the strike should also get their own tag for fairness. Again every temporary event does not need a tag and if some have been given in the past, its possible they weren't really necessary either. That doesn't mean every other temporary event needs one. And instead of this strike (and each and every other strike ) getting their own tag, maybe everything should get a drama tag so that non-strike drama can also be included. That's all I said...
    – user13267
    Jul 21, 2023 at 5:33
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    ...You're the one who seems to believe this merits its own tag. There's no point to be made here and it's just a suggestion to those who think a tag for this is necessary. I don't see what you want me to "feel free to add". I know I am already free to add whatever I want in my own post.
    – user13267
    Jul 21, 2023 at 5:33
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    @user13267 Honestly, I’ve tried hard to make sense of the (rhetorical?) questions in the answer but I am really not sure whether they are supposed to imply something about the tag or comment on the strike or something else. They may be statements but they are definitely not concrete. It seems like you have some arguments, as evidenced by some of your comments, but for some reason your answers seems to prefer… drama. That is of course your decision, but personally I find it a loss to have a good opposition wasted. Jul 21, 2023 at 6:47
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    The existence of a tag doesn't "verify" or "validate" anything else than the fact that some posts are topically related and that some users want to be able to filter or group on that criterion, perhaps to exclude this topic if they don't want to read about it. I hate the monstrous word "folksonomy" itself, but you might want to google it for more information.
    – tripleee
    Jul 21, 2023 at 7:28
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    I see you have, but that's way too broad. It's like having an "input" tag on Stack Overflow. I might well be tired of the moderation strike, but still be interested in reading about the CEO making ridiculous publicity statements, for example.
    – tripleee
    Jul 21, 2023 at 7:42

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