not-programming-related is no more

shot of close reasons http://www.juanformoso.com.ar/images/so9.png

Long live NPR!

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    I propose a Stack Overflow feature cemetery for those beloved features that once were among us but are no more. The addition of each feature would require a sad and dignified ceremony. – balpha Mar 16 '10 at 18:05
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    This image needs a black frame. – Pekka Mar 16 '10 at 19:02
  • @pekka, added a black ribbon – juan Mar 16 '10 at 19:07
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    Very good. ---- – Pekka Mar 16 '10 at 19:28
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    Oh, NPR... we hardly knew ye. Actually, we probably knew ye too well. – gnostradamus Mar 16 '10 at 20:44
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    -1 Whats your question. – Locutus Mar 17 '10 at 22:39
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    @Dat: obviously your knowledge of the site is limited. Seeing your profiles I can see that you don't have enough rep yet for closing. This question talks about a closing reason that has been removed. – perbert Mar 18 '10 at 13:06
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    @Dow: shhh! Se va a dar cuenta! No lo avives ;) – perbert Mar 18 '10 at 13:21
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    @dat what is obvious is that most of your comments seem to be wining about something, generally downvotes. – perbert Mar 18 '10 at 13:48
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    @Dat: Maybe you should first question yourself why exactly those posts are down-voted in stead of exposing it to the "Admins" (they're called moderators around here and "exposing" something to them is easily done by "flagging"). – fretje Mar 18 '10 at 15:46
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    @Qui: por que no te dejas de romper un poquito las pelotas pibe? You have been spouting accusations, whining and insulting for the last two days, and you are surprised that people flag you offensive? What is your problem? If your questions were downvoted more than once, then it's because people didn't agree! – perbert Mar 19 '10 at 15:41
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    @Qui-Gon: The key word being relax, I think. I don't insult people and they don't insult me (usually). Edit: ...By the way, is your age correct in your SO profile? If you're really 12, then I'd suggest learning how to express your opinions without sounding like you're attacking people. If you're not really 12, then I'd suggest not acting as if you are. – mmyers Mar 19 '10 at 15:53
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    @Qui-Gon (assuming you're talking to me): No, I wasn't offended; it's not that easy to offend me, and I try to keep it that way. I do needle people sometimes, but only users that I've been around a lot and whom I know can take it, like Welbog or gnovice or jjnguy. If I post a comment and then realize it could be taken as genuinely insulting, or completely misunderstood by someone not familiar with the situation, I delete it. And I always keep it G-rated. – mmyers Mar 19 '10 at 16:18
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    @Qui-Gon Jinn: I never said I was an outstanding pillar of the community. :) Yes, retaliation should never be practiced -- but the only thing you can do about it once it starts is to flag things for moderator attention. And I don't see anyone saying inappropriate things in the answer you linked; Shog9 went a little over the top but then apologized. I don't think he's the type that would follow you around just to downvote you, anyway. (For what it's worth, I also disagree with several of your comments there.) – mmyers Mar 19 '10 at 17:26
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    picture is gone... – rene Jun 19 '15 at 20:48

I am drinking a beer in its honour. May it rest in peace in Close Reason Heaven.

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I'n a bit pissed off with this (no surprise there, I hear people mutter). Off topic (or OT , as we long-time Usenet users like to say it) is a very generic term. A post can be off-topic because it is:

  • subjective
  • argumentative
  • not a real question
  • too localized
  • etc. etc.

In other words, "not programming related" had a real meaning, "off topic" does not.

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    But those things aren't actually off topic. They're on-topic posts that fail in some other way. I can be on-topic but be subjective--you can say "that's not what we're talking about; we're talking about things that aren't that subjective", but it's not a shift of topic you're seeking. You're saying my question is irrelevant, which is synonymous with being OT, and is even commonly used as an exact synonym, but which it actually isn't. – user141160 Mar 16 '10 at 20:18
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    @D_N If the rules of the place you are posting to say that posts must not be subjective, too localized etc. and you post a question that is subjective, too localized etc. then in Usenet terms at least, you are OT. – nb69307 Mar 16 '10 at 20:25
  • +1: agree with this completely. 'off-topic' is too broad a term. – ChristopheD Mar 16 '10 at 21:47
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    @Neil, I don't disagree. I just disagree that Usenet is normative. – user141160 Mar 17 '10 at 0:19

Awww, now we can't confuse people by saying something is NPR and having them wonder what the hell it has anything to do with public radio.

I guess now when we say something is OT people will think it's overtime and we're telling them to wrap it up.

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    Hmm, I think we can now confuse people all the more by saying that something is NPR. – ЯegDwight Mar 16 '10 at 18:53
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    The first time I saw OT (on a forum), I wondered what the Old Testament had to do with anything there. – mmyers Mar 16 '10 at 18:55
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    @mmyers: There are quite a few questions I'd like to go OT on. Real fire and brimstone like! ;) – gnostradamus Mar 16 '10 at 19:09
  • Nah. You want to go medieval. On their ass. – nb69307 Mar 16 '10 at 20:19
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    @Neil: I prefer to go medireview on the asses of others. ;) – gnostradamus Mar 16 '10 at 20:24

This may not be a popular answer, but I can see the redundancy in having a "Not Programming Related" and "Off Topic". NPR specifically states that a question should relate to programming or software development. If it does not follow that guideline, then the question is, by default, OT.

Since I don't have access I didn't know that NPR was replaced with OT. However, I think OT is fine. I have seen plenty of comments that alert the OP that a question is NPR. You also have to consider that a question could mention programming in some fashion but not actually be programming related - simply off topic. In that case, NPR does not give a tidy feel to the closure.

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    I'm pretty sure "Off Topic" didn't exist before today; I think one replaced the other. – mmyers Mar 16 '10 at 18:56
  • @mmyers: I guess I wouldn't have known that since I don't get access to those tools... – IAbstract Mar 16 '10 at 23:07
  • Well, it didn't – juan Mar 17 '10 at 0:55
  • What does Old Testament have to do with StackOverflow? – DVK Mar 22 '10 at 2:19

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