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Random comments while reading the document: Our mission Our mission is to build an inclusive community where all people feel welcome and can participate, regardless of expertise, identity, or language. Whether you’ve come to ask questions or to generously share what you know, join us in building a learning community that is rooted in kindness, ...


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I'm not seeing a whole lot in here about meeting our primary expectation: show effort. I see lots about being more welcoming and not use subtle put downs and the effect of no effort, but the only nod we have to meeting our quality standards is, "Follow our guidelines". If we're going to be showing this to new users, I think making it understood that we're ...


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I'm a bit worried about how specific and absolute the following bit is: If someone points out that your behavior is making others uncomfortable, stop doing it. Sometimes, people unconsciously say things that negatively affect others. Even if this wasn’t your intent, apologize and move on. It reads to me like it allows for no exceptions, and might very, ...


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No subtle put-downs or unwelcoming language (emphasis mine). I get that the idea is to broadly categorize "not nice" but it seems to me like this is easily mis-interpreted. Are: Sorry, but this question is too broad. A good Stack Overflow question doesn't encompass an entire program, but a specific programming problem. Questions are expected to be in ...


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Don't worry if others give feedback about your question -- they’re trying to make it helpful to as many people as possible. This needs to be made clearer. It's not a "don't worry", it's a "be receptive" (you've used "be generous" later on). If people are just not worrying about feedback, questions aren't going to be improved. No subtle put-downs or ...


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No subtle put-downs or unwelcoming language. Regardless of intent, this behavior can have a significant negative impact on others. For example, saying “You could Google this in 5 seconds” is a subtle put-down. This reads like I'm stranded in a scifi dystopia. Now I have a language police. Great. Beloved Citizen of the most free Democratic People's ...


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Please replace "learning" with "knowledge-sharing" (or with something else that doesn't feel like obscuring that Stack Exchange is about questions and answers - say, "learning site community"). This Code of Conduct helps us build a learning knowledge-sharing community... We’re committed to building a kind, collaborative learning knowledge-sharing ...


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Expletives are generally not allowed I didn't like it before, and I don't like it now. An expletive is a word that fills space without adding any semantic content (meaning), or that's only for stress. Examples are on earth (in "why on earth did…"), the heck (in "what the heck is…") and, yes, some other, vulgar things. Expletives are (or should ...


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feature-request status-completed See updated flag dialogue text and explanation in the question. Somehow, having two different options with the same subtext "The comment violates our Code of Conduct." doesn't fly with me. Maybe the first one can be changed into something like "The comment violates our Code of Conduct in a particularly aggravating way." or ...


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No discrimination of any kind. This includes any language likely to offend or alienate people based on (but not limited to): ...English fluency,... It seems strange to say that we shouldn't/won't discriminate based on English fluency. I think the goal of including "English fluency" in the above list is to stop people from saying subtle put-downs like: "Did ...


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I'd like to see Unacceptable Behavior No subtle put-downs or unwelcoming language. Regardless of intent, this behavior can have a significant negative impact on others. For example, saying “You could Google this in 5 seconds” is a subtle put-down. Extended to include something like: If other community members have decided to offer you ...


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I've already added two answers of things I think should be changed based on objective criteria. This is subjective and my "feelings toward" things, so it's a separate post. If you're a long-term contributor, how does this document impact your feelings toward new users and their needs, if at all? If anything, it makes me reconsider whether I should help ...


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I'd like to add some additional clarity to Our Expectations If you’re here to help others, be patient and welcoming. Learning how to participate in our community can be daunting, especially if someone is new. Be supportive while others are learning. Yeah, the whole welcoming bit didn't go so well. It's too vague. This is aimed squarely at curators, and ...


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It has taken me a few months for me to figure out why the recent, overt, pushes to "Be Nice" feel off. I think this code of conduct has helped me figure out what was bothering me though. If you’re here to help others, be patient and welcoming. Learning how to participate in our community can be daunting, especially if someone is new. Be supportive while ...


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Honestly? After skimming the new Code of Conduct, I kind of feel like... Look, I get the need to be nice, I get all of this, and I largely agree with it all since I can't really get on board with the subtle barbs that we at Stack Overflow tend to throw at others. But there are at least three problems that this doesn't cover. While there are clear ...


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feature-request status-declined Decline explanation: After comparing the flag data on Stack Overflow during the period between October 23, 2018 to January 23, 2019 and the same period last year, the indication is that that while there is an increase in these flags overall - 69% more flags - they're actually declined less frequently - 21.6% of the time, ...


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If you’re here to get help, make it as easy as possible for others to help you. Our community is made possible by volunteers. Don't worry if others give feedback about your question -- they’re trying to make it helpful to as many people as possible. This bullet point sounds weird to me. Specifically the part where it says "Don't worry if...", I ...


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I guess I'm going to have to say what I said last time: People will get offended by anything. Because... People, fundamentally, do not care what you think. There are a lot of good posts here about how the CoC draft puts too much pressure on us (the existing community) to try and conform to an ideal that cannot be objectively achieved and not enough onus ...


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I think it's fine, but... Some observations. "You shouldn't talk to anyone here in a way that you wouldn't talk to someone in person, including a boss or new colleague." The people who don't need to hear this already understand it, and the people who do need to hear it already think they're doing it right. "We're all in this together," "Focus on the post, ...


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I find the phrase Be civil. Attacking or harassing individuals based on gender, sexual orientation, disability, gender identity, age, race, or religion – and any and all other type of personal attack – is unacceptable. bothersome - and it feels like it was written by a lawyer. That long list comprises "legally protected characteristics", but it fatally ...


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One item that popped out to me on the previous one, that is still present in this version: Our Expectations ... If you're here to help others, be patient and welcoming. I realize that the "welcoming" term was beaten to death on the previous post. This really isn't about that. The initial clause, "If you're here to help others", makes the ...


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As a moderator of two sites, I don't think I can moderate against the "no subtle put-downs" rule. Almost any disagreement or any attempt to deal with poor-quality content can be re-construed as breaking this rule. In fact, a lot of the actions I have to take to moderate could easily be construed as "subtle put-downs". For example, often people post ...


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Even if you don't agree with all of it, do you feel that this is a reasonable code of conduct? Does it affect your recommending Stack Overflow as a resource in any way? How so? This is going to be a rambling, I fear not entirely cogent response based on many factors, only one of which is this code of conduct. Lately, I feel like the volunteers on the ...


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I like this; it's pretty clear, and it covers a lot more than I thought it would. One thing that pops out at me is the section on Reporting and Enforcement: Reporting and Enforcement Every person contributes to creating a kind, respectful community. If you find unacceptable behavior directed at yourself or others, you can: Flag the harmful ...


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Our mission is to build an inclusive community where all people feel welcome and can participate, regardless of expertise, identity, or language. Whether you’ve come to ask questions or to generously share what you know, join us in building a learning community that is rooted in kindness, collaboration, and mutual respect. That's not the mission of Stack ...


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I, for one, appreciate the new "unfriendly or unkind" category as something quite distinct from "rude or abusive." (Or even "no longer needed.") In the past, I've left alone what I've felt to be sarcastic comments (backhanded criticism) because I haven't felt there was a proper "bucket" to flag them under. Comments like that are a bit subtle, and might not ...


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Thank you for your thoughtful response to all the feedback. I have some minor wording suggestions: If you’re here to get help, make it as easy as possible for others to help you. Our community is made possible by volunteers. Don't worry if others give feedback about your question -- they’re trying to make it helpful to as many people as possible. I ...


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How do we deal with lazy users (I hope I'm safe saying this until the CoC goes live ;) persistently trying to offload work in chat? Most language-specific chatrooms on chat.SO will every once in a while get a user who asks questions, doesn't really read answers, and does no thinking of their own when they receive help. Typical dynamics involve pages worth ...


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Fundamentally, I feel that a COC needs to be a shield not a sword or a potential bludgeoning stick. One of the… unintended consequences of the blog posts is folks using it that way. It needs to reflect the best we can be, rather than the worst we could be. A glaring omission (having talked this through) is a requirement to try to deal with people ...


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I feel like gnat said it in a more polite fashion, but when you talk about this... We’re committed to building a kind, collaborative learning community... ...I get very antsy. So I admit that I'm still a part of the "Old Guard". I'm still very much set on trying to help but my focus as of late has been on curation. Because we still lack a reliable ...


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