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In the spirit of this post, I'd like to point out a particular part of the Be Nice policy which, IMO, doesn't get quoted often enough: If you don't have time to say something politely, just leave it for someone who does. I suspect a lot of the less-than-friendly comments that have been tolerated come from people who: actually have a point; feel the need ...


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feature-request status-completed See updated flag dialogue text and explanation in the question. Somehow, having two different options with the same subtext "The comment violates our Code of Conduct." doesn't fly with me. Maybe the first one can be changed into something like "The comment violates our Code of Conduct in a particularly aggravating way." or ...


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My one word of caution with this is that we have a (significant?) number of users here for whom English is not a first language, or a second, or even any (anecdotally, I have seen a number of questions asked in Google English). Given this, constructions such as I'm not asking rhetorically; I really want to help you with this, I just want to be sure ...


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feature-request status-declined Decline explanation: After comparing the flag data on Stack Overflow during the period between October 23, 2018 to January 23, 2019 and the same period last year, the indication is that that while there is an increase in these flags overall - 69% more flags - they're actually declined less frequently - 21.6% of the time, ...


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So, it looks like some vague intent to tackle "unwelcoming" comments is still on cards. I'm mostly going to echo points that I've been making since the "welcoming" drive started: Critical comments on answers are more important than critical comments on questions because they (generally) contain technical corrections to the material in the answer. Your ...


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I, for one, appreciate the new "unfriendly or unkind" category as something quite distinct from "rude or abusive." (Or even "no longer needed.") In the past, I've left alone what I've felt to be sarcastic comments (backhanded criticism) because I haven't felt there was a proper "bucket" to flag them under. Comments like that are a bit subtle, and might not ...


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Preface: This answer will be written with Stack Overflow-coloured glasses because the comment snark issue is topical there right now. Let's start with an allegory: If your house has a sign outside that says "Do not track mud in", because you want to keep it clean so that it's a nice environment for everyone who uses it; and someone walks in tracking mud, ...


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Absolutely concur. We had a lot of conflict issues on RPG.SE, but then we made it clear that Be Nice applies equally to: Questions Answers Comments User profiles Chat All of the above on Meta too Mod messages/responses (yes, several folks have found out that if they respond to a mod message with a stream of invective they get pushed right up to the next ...


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What about allowing users to see statistics on how many “unkind” flags marked "helpful" by moderators have been raised against them? General stats on how many people flagged and how many posts were flagged may be good feedback to help folks understand how their posts are negatively impacting people and might ease some of the burden on moderators if it ...


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feature-request Part 1. It would be preferable if we continued to only count the first flag It contains harassment, bigotry, or abuse. as counting towards the automatic too many rude/abusive comments autoflag and not the unfriendly or unkind flag. That would make it easier to handle such flags and provide moderators with more latitude on marking It's ...


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status-completed The new flagging dialog has a vastly reduced clickable area and, not to put too fine a point on it, that sucks. In most other similar prompts on the site (e.g. the previous flagging prompt, if I remember correctly, or the vote-to-close prompt) the text below the headers is clickable, i.e. the area in blue: Not so in this incarnation as ...


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I was once at a festival with some friends. Somebody camping across the road from us was being a disruptive jerk, and I commented negatively about it to a friend. The friend said to me: "there are 10,000 people here. If only 1% of the population is jerks, that's still 100 people." Perspective is everything. We don't tend to notice the vast majority of ...


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While we are discussing this change, this feature could be better applied only to lower-rep users instead of everyone (but this should probably be a feature-request). In the meantime, I have created a temporary fix for those who are already familiar with the comment action icons and wish for them to remain hidden until the comment is hovered upon: ...


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Rather than answer in comments, I'll address the perception problem I am borrowing two ideas from @Erik von Asmuth and @Troyen in their comments under the question: if the problem identified by Jon Ericson is one of perception and impressions left on casual and new users, then SE can change the optics of the comments under questions and / or answers. Erik ...


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Yes it did. I did it. When the Code of Conduct ships, we're replacing "rude or abusive" with two new categories which you could describe as "rude" and "abusive". As part of that change, we also: Updated the dialog to use our new "Stacks" design system. Restructured the language so it's answering a question rather than completing a sentence. Added a "...


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It did change, as already noted. One request: can we make the font used for the explanations a little bigger? We have room, and this is hard to see (for some people on some devices, at least): We've got plenty of width, and enough spare height that bumping that up a couple points won't overflow anything. Can we make it bigger? Or, at least, black? I ...


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Aren't you afraid that this policy will encourage the Don't comment, downvote! behaviour, which will be just as intimidating for newcomers as unwelcoming comments are? Commenting on a bad post already exposes the commenter to a possible follow-up discussion that most would prefer not to have. Now the commenter will have to find a polite way of telling the OP ...


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The DAG team says it's an intentional change, to make it more obvious especially to new users that they can flag comments. I expect it will also help with touch interfaces. From the DAG team announcement for July: Comment flagging improvements: To align with the new CoC we will be making various changes in how comment flagging works. Allowing ...


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feature-request status-completed It would be useful to be able to drag the dialog so that you can move it to re-read the comment if needed while deciding which flag you want to cast the same way you can with the flag/close question dialog.


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This was a matter of many people putting in a lot of effort to get some design elements in place while doing a bit of cleanup. We spent more time talking about it and have rolled it back to the previous text with a slight adjustment to the explanation: It's no longer needed. The comment is outdated, conversational or not relevant to this post. So, ...


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How do you enforce this? You don't often see condescension like did you even Google it? as an answer, at least not one that stays around very long. The reason posts may have such quality standards is precisely because there are people policing them with great vigor. Do you plan on doing the same with comments? This takes resources, maybe better spent ...


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I want to lay out my perspective here because it seems to be quite different then what this post is implicating for new users. I'm not a particularly new user anymore, but I used to be just 2 years ago. Back then I made a lot of blunders in my early SE life, and I got called out for it, I found that unusually refreshing and respectful of my time and efforts....


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It would be much more productive to try and address the real issue. The entitlement attitude that an apparent majority of new users seem to have now and how they crap on anyone that tries to help them succeed on the site, no matter how neutral or even polite the comment is. They need to be reminded at every opportunity that are receiving a free service/help ...


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SE is much less hostile than most of the sites and forums I've seen. So I'd certainly argue that the reputation as being unwelcoming is undeserved in this regard*. But the problem is that "we're better than the average site on the internet" is still a very low bar to meet. And we certainly should aim higher than that. 5% is actually higher than I would have ...


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If we're going to delete "not 100% welcoming" a little bit too snarky or however else offensive comments which despite being not ideal contain useful information, I want to be able to see those deleted comments to access that useful information. Maybe as a reputation threshold privilege. And hide the potser's username to save face. Because I'm already ...


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feature-request About the always-visible flag icons being too noisy - have a user preference option to hide them (per site, or on all sites) once the user reaches a certain reputation. 100 rep seems like a decent threshold as that's the site association bonus as well, and if you know how other basic features of SE work, you presumably know how flagging ...


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feature-request Please add the option to explain any flag; not just the flags for "something else". How can we make flag handling easy and clear for moderators? [...] [Moderators] can easily decide whether a flag is valid or not based on the flagging text. If I flag a comment as "no longer needed", I have no way of letting the mod know why it is no ...


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This is my fault, the fix is live now for MSE, building on the network. In working on Keyboard-only users cannot flag comments in the new comment flag dialog, I needed access to the event that showed the flagging dialog, so I updated the comment UI hooks to pass in the event as the first parameter. This was fine fo the various hooks, upvote, flag, etc, ...


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Short answer: yes. We still need to think about and work on this. Statistics are great, and I am a firm believer in data-driven behavior for most things, but numbers don't work so well when it comes to feelings. If some new person comes to Stack Overflow and their own perception is that they haven't been welcomed, then the site is unwelcoming, regardless ...


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I really don't see any abuse here. In the first comment, I see a user who doesn't consider you a good mod. That's their prerogative and all they did is say so. They didn't insult you, they didn't call you names. They just said you don't deserve to be a moderator. Yeah, well, that's just, like, your opinion, man. The second comment is harder to judge without ...


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