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Maybe a harsh critique but I believe a fair and honest one. Your post sounds as though your lawyers drafted this for you. The humanity has been sucked out of it, canned lawyer speak is what remains. Stack Overflow and Monica Cellio have come to an agreement. We believe that Ms. Cellio was not acting with malicious intent. We believe she did not ...


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I know that my answer will overlap others, but enough people are waiting for me to comment on this process with an eye toward my case in particular that I'm going to post anyway. The new removal process, while better than what was done to me, lacks important safeguards present in the pre-existing Moderator Action Review Process. Most importantly, it lacks ...


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I can't comment further for legal reasons.


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The bottom line is this. Until SE addresses this post, no amount of process, or changes to how meta works, or new CMs are going to make a whit of difference. This argument hasn't been about the CoC; as a whole I think SE Users are happy to treat each other with respect to the best of their abilities. Had this just been about pronouns, we might have seen ...


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I find this statement to be a continuation of your (= SE inc's) inappropriate, underhanded, approach to this matter and to relations with the SE community so far. We believe that Ms. Cellio was not acting with malicious intent. This implies Ms. Cellio did something wrong (albeit inadvertently). We believe she did not understand all of the nuances ...


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We believe she did not understand all of the nuances and full intent and meaning of our Code of Conduct and was confused about what actions it required and forbade. What a patronizing comment; in the discussion on the mod Q&A back in January a large majority of the moderators agreed with Monica's interpretation, which proves that she's not the confused ...


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The reinstatement process is broken as written. The process is rigged against the previous moderator (PM). Community Managers (CMs) can recuse themselves if they feel they can't be impartial. There needs to be a way to recuse CMs who can't be impartial but won't recuse themselves. CMs recusing other CMs? The PM recusing up to a small number of CMs? The ...


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I know you won't like this answer, but I'm writing it anyway, because this is what you would get over at the workplace: You need to get a lawyer involved. I'm not saying you need to sue them. I know you don't want to and I agree that that would not be the road to get reinstated. I'm saying you need a real life person with a law degree and letterhead to ...


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Update (30.10.19) We're officially well over a month into this mess, and extremely little has changed. The CoC received an update that was at least received better than the initial FAQ. They've also released a plan they actually followed, unlike the second (third?) apology. We're still waiting for a reply to the letters to SE, and to top it off, all our ...


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You said (my emphasis), In recognition of the mistakes that led us here, we invited Ms. Cellio to apply for possible reinstatement on all six sites following our new reinstatement process. Ms. Cellio expressed concerns about the new process and has not applied. I applaud you for admitting responsibility in this matter, but a better response would be to ...


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Thank you for taking the time to put this process together. I know this was dozens and dozens of hours across 7-10 people, If I understand your internal structure correctly. I wouldn't be surprised if you've spent 500 people-hours on this issue already, and I understand the desire to 'ship it and iterate'. Please take a moment to pause, and think: What do ...


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The two new processes are palliative at best. I would NEVER want to be a moderator with such procedures in place: There is no community oversight of any community manager's action, and frankly, I do not trust the CMs to never make mistakes and do not see why the community should. The oversight could be performed by other mods under NDA, and be not binding. ...


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Stack Overflow and Monica Cellio have come to an agreement. Great! I am happy that you have reached an agreement. I am especially happy that this happened sooner rather than later for Monica's sake. Clearing her good name as soon as possible was imperative here. In recognition of the mistakes that led us here, we invited Ms. Cellio to apply for ...


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This doesn't fix the serious breach of trust SE committed by their actions for me. The agreement is of course between Monica and SE, and that is entirely her business, but the actions by SE were very public and have affected the way I and many other active users see the company. I didn't have any high hopes for a legal resolution here, not every unethical ...


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I wish I could share some of what's been happening in the moderator chat, but suffice it to say that Stack Exchange has gone beyond the pale in the "1984" abuse of language and thought/speech crime department. Even so, it's not clear that Monica violated the new guidelines (yet) -- but I didn't do a comprehensive search. The only good thing about this is ...


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I've actually tried to update this post a few times over the past few weeks. Words have power, and I figured the right ones might make a difference. I'm pretty sure folks have noticed I'm back. There's been a few comments and edit attempts that made me aware. I would love to go everything down there ⬇ is ok. That everything I talked about is resolved, and ...


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Is Stack Exchange Inc still interested in cooperating with the community? What is the vision for this relationship? Obviously, no. Kicking Monica out is the last straw for me. I'm done giving SE any kind of help and won't report any bugs, request any feature requests, or do any moderation actions like review or cast close votes from now on. I won't give a ...


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Is Stack Exchange Inc still interested in cooperating with the community? It seems that they lost any interest long ago. They are following a pattern. 1) October 2018: Twitter Driven Development Part 1 Someone complained on Twitter about titles of HNQs, especially questions on IPS. The issues with HNQ had been discussed on that site's meta before, but no ...


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This process is fundamentally flawed because the moderator removal process is fundamentally flawed. We're trying to use a reinstatement and appeals process to clean up issues of a lack of fundamental due process in the first instance. This is not going to build trust; nor will it ensure that the community and the company have a symbiotic relationship. Take, ...


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Update - After seeing indications of positive intention and direction, and because I care for the sites I moderate, I returned to moderating in March. Subsequently, when the nominations for Moderator Council came out I stood, and was elected to the Council, where I hope I can help make a positive impact. I mod 6 sites: Security, Music, Parenting, Outdoors, ...


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This is certainly a positive step. But it's not enough. Offering Monica the chance to go through your reinstatement process is an insult. Either you're going to reinstate her to her previous positions or you're going put her through the wringer and reject her. If you are planning to reinstate her, just do it! The new processes don't apply to her anyway ...


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Cultural Background: In the United States there has been a push to use gender-neutral language and gender pronouns when given. Stack Exchange (SE) Background: Moderators and employees have access to the Teachers' Lounge (TL) as a private chat room with the understanding that material discussed within is private and confidential. Network Background: Some ...


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Update 2019-12-03 Since SE insists on ignoring the community, and has refused to retract the harmful statements made to the press or even address our questions about the legality of the licensing change; since, in short, SE is showing every sign of wanting to continue along the same path, I have decided to step down as a moderator on two of the three sites ...


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One way to show tangible, useful support is to contribute money to "defend Monica from defamation by Stack Overflow": https://www.gofundme.com/f/stop-stack-overflow-from-defaming-its-users Monica has come to an agreement with SE and has stopped her fundraising. Somewhat related is a fundraiser to literally pay respect to former SE employee Shog9 who was ...


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The new process was created in response to the lack of process that led to the firing of Monica. So I think it is fair to ask in what ways the events around Monica's firing violated the tenets of this new process, and what SE is planning to do to correct their mistakes. I think SE should state publicly in which ways the rights this process grants to ...


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She didn’t do anything to violate the CoC. Given leaked transcripts some have seen and been unable to identify CoC violations, and many mods here from the TL also not being able to identify any clear violations, and no one being able to come up with anything that was not either customary in the TL or "pre-thoughtcrime" concerns of "maybe she won't follow ...


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Sometimes, no matter what the intentions are - sometimes the end results get out of hand. In the past few weeks - I've heard folks talk about how it was good the status quo was challenged and... it all went sour. I honestly think we need to go back to the core of community moderation and start talking like adults. This feels like literally the last chance ...


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