Timeline for Is it too hard to re-open questions by the community on SE sites other than SO?
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| Apr 12, 2017 at 7:31 | history | edited | CommunityBot |
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| Mar 6, 2012 at 12:35 | history | edited | Rachel | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Edit was incorrect. All votes expire, even if question gets closed/reopened
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| Mar 5, 2012 at 20:14 | history | edited | Rachel | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Mar 2, 2012 at 14:24 | answer | added | Rachel | timeline score: 5 | |
| Mar 2, 2012 at 3:55 | comment | added | yannis | @Rachel Generalizing discussions on specific questions is not a very good idea, generalizations rarely are. | |
| Mar 2, 2012 at 3:46 | comment | added | Rachel | @YannisRizos My apologies if I misunderstood you and other mods telling me on multiple occasions that a question could go either way, or that you were on the fence, so would wait for votes from the community to make a decision. | |
| Mar 2, 2012 at 3:38 | comment | added | yannis |
@Rachel Because the site is very subjective, and mods prefer to let the community decide if they are not sure. Please don't assume you know what we prefer or not.
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| Mar 1, 2012 at 20:42 | answer | added | Shog9 | timeline score: 12 | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 20:30 | history | edited | Shog9 |
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| Mar 1, 2012 at 20:19 | comment | added | Rachel | @BenBrocka My favorite proposal right now is to not limit users to a single re-open vote during a question's lifetime. Perhaps clear all re-open votes in 2 weeks after a re-open (or close) vote has failed, so users can vote on it again if the question gets edited or other users are trying to re-open the question. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 20:10 | comment | added | Zelda | Multiple flags could be a proxy for the democratic process. Users still have their flags even if their reopen votes expired. If it took 2-3 users to close/reopen a post I'd be worried about extremely speedy close/reopen wars. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 20:07 | comment | added | Rachel | @BenBrocka Because the site is very subjective, and mods prefer to let the community decide if they are not sure. Most of the questions I try to reopen are older ones which were on-topic when the site was first created, but are no longer on-topic now. Many users who want these questions re-opened have already used their re-open vote back when they tried to get the question reopened as-is. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 20:02 | comment | added | Cody Gray | @Ben: She says the mods aren't particularly interested in doing this: "Most of the moderators seem to prefer to sit back and let the community decide if a question should be re-opened or not" Now, one could certainly argue that if the community is not doing it, or not able to do it, then the mods should step in. But presumably this isn't happening. This has been a recurring theme in complaints regarding Programmers. As Jon Ericson suggests, the problem is that Programmers is made up of an audience of people with very different ideas/expectations for the site's scope. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 19:59 | comment | added | Zelda | Why doesn't flagging a mod to reopen solve this problem? If the Q is saved, a flag could signal a mod to quickly reopen a Q. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 19:43 | answer | added | Jon Ericson | timeline score: 16 | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 19:41 | comment | added | Pollyanna | @Rachel I have to admit I have been annoyed by the timing aspect of expired votes. If they expire they shouldn't be thrown away - they should be refunded as ineffective at the time, and allowed to be cast again. However there's an existing question for that: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/120896/… | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 19:40 | comment | added | Pollyanna | @Rachel Then I'll suggest one further tactic. If the question as-is was bad, and your experience is that it won't be re-opened once edited, then submit a new question that is correctly on-topic, well written, and move on. It will gain answers that are just as good as any answers on the older question, it will remain open, and it can't be closed as duplicate of a closed question. There will be some that may frown on this practice, but even they should agree that either this acceptable question should remain open if it's on-topic, or the old one should be reopened. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 19:36 | comment | added | Rachel | In addition, I will sometimes go to vote to re-open a question that already has votes, only to discover I have already voted at some point in the past so can not contribute to the current effort to reopen a question. This makes me feel like my hands are tied because I voted to re-open something without making a big fuss over it, and it is preventing me from taking part in someone else's effort to re-open the question. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 19:33 | comment | added | Rachel | @AdamDavis It is not any one particular question, but rather a chain of questions. Moderators encourage users to make edits to questions, praise the edits, but then decide to let the community decide if the question should be re-opened or not. Sometimes it is true that I am in the wrong, but I do not believe that I have been wrong every single time. As I said before, I have never seen an older question re-opened by 5 community members. Our user base is much smaller than SO, so we don't have the same number of active users in such a short timeframe that SO has. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 19:28 | comment | added | sbi |
@Rachel: Of course this supports your argument. That's why I was pointing it out to you. :)
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| Mar 1, 2012 at 19:14 | answer | added | Some Helpful Commenter | timeline score: 7 | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 19:12 | comment | added | Pollyanna | Out of curiosity, what is it that suggests to you that the community elected moderators are wrong, and the community is wrong, but you are right about the questions you believe should remain open? | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 19:02 | comment | added | Rachel | @sbi That question further shows my argument. The fact that moderators have to step in and close so many questions means the community is not doing their job. I have seen many users work at closing/reopening questions, so I do not believe it is due to lazy users, but instead think it is because the site rules make it rather hard for smaller communities to self-moderate themselves. I believe lower-traffic SE sites should have lower standards for closing/reopening questions than StackOverflow. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 18:56 | comment | added | Rachel | @CodyGray I was referring to P.SE meta, and possibly other smaller SE site metas. P.SE meta only has a handful of active users on meta with over 3K rep, and I could probably list the names of most of them without looking them up. I'd estimate there's less than 10 users I see on meta on a regular basis who are not moderators. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 18:50 | comment | added | Cody Gray | "you can't post on meta and expect a large number of 3K+ users to see your question, review it, and hopefully vote to re-open with you" Why not? | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 18:35 | comment | added | sbi | Rachel, you might want to have a look at this comment discussion | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 17:55 | comment | added | Rachel | @AdamDavis A very large number of questions on P.SE get closed by a single moderator vote, and that is what lead to the frustration over getting questions reopened and this question. I would not mind so much if the question was closed by 5 community members, however this is not usually the case. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 17:48 | comment | added | Pollyanna | @Rachel That is offset by the fact that questions start off in the open state. Further, that merely gives you a lot more time to add comments to questions with close votes to convince others not to add their close vote to the question. Again, you're going to have to convince the community that the questions add value - making it harder for them to close them isn't going to solve the root problem. The same people will still try to close the same questions, and raising the bar isn't going to have a large enough effect, unless you do so in a lopsided manner. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 17:43 | comment | added | user154510 | I'm wondering if this could be fixed by properly scaled privileges. Android struggled mightily after public beta ended because all our top users suddenly had fewer privileges, and we're only starting to regain our footing now (1 year after launch). If privileges were scaled to the size of the site, an appropriate portion of users would be able to act on this sort of thing. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 17:20 | answer | added | Pollyanna | timeline score: 6 | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 17:18 | comment | added | Rachel | @dmckee I would disagree. If a question has less than 100 views, the votes don't expire. Re-open votes are almost always cast on questions that have over 100 views, while close votes are frequently cast on questions with less than 100 views, so the time at which the expiration timer starts is frequently different between open and close votes. Also, that is definitely not the case on P.SE where moderators are very active in closing questions. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 17:09 | comment | added | dmckee --- ex-moderator kitten | Note that the difficulty of re-opening is identical to the difficulty of closing in the first place. | |
| Mar 1, 2012 at 16:46 | history | asked | Rachel | CC BY-SA 3.0 |