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We have a user on Ask Ubuntu who just received the "do better or we won't let you play" nastygram, while writing a new question. They aren't banned yet, but they're clearly being told they will be if they carry on.

I understand the point of this feature is to stop people flooding a site with bad questions...
... But this userthis user has a good —albeit brief— record:

  • 1 accepted question with a score of +4
  • 1 close-dupe question with a score of +2
  • 2 automatically-closed (by the Community user) with scores of ±0. I've looked at these questions and they weren't bad, they just didn't attract enough of the right people to get a vote or an answer. Ask Ubuntu is broad enough that some people just don't see some subjects like that.
  • 1 flag against them (the duplicate post)

So they hasn't attracted a single negative vote... But they're in "danger of being blocked from asking"?

What is the system actually counting to denote a "bad user" here? I suspect their community-deletions and the dupe are counting against them but I don't think they should.

Dupes happen, especially on technical sites where you can ask exactly the same thing in a dozen different ways... And unanswered, unvoted questions are just as a symptom of a less popular topic as a bad question (as I've said, the quality here was good).

Moreover, the ultimatum we show these users tells them to "improve" their existing posts. How on earth are they supposed to do that here? The Community-deleted ones are only salvageable by a moderator and the one that is duplicate will always be duplicate.

It's impossible for the user to fix themselves; they're stuck.

Certain flag and closure types attract automatic downvotes. These are what you should be counting to indicate bad quality. Until that point you shouldn't be counting users like this in people who are on the brink of being cut off.

And unless they're doing something demonstrably wrong, we shouldn't be banning users for things they can't actually fix.

It'd also be nice for moderators to be able to countermand any automatic blocks. I feel helpless when users come into chat begging to be allowed to try asking another question but the system won't let them. This user in particular has done nothing wrong but this is far from an isolated case.

Please fix.


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We have a user on Ask Ubuntu who just received the "do better or we won't let you play" nastygram, while writing a new question. They aren't banned yet, but they're clearly being told they will be if they carry on.

I understand the point of this feature is to stop people flooding a site with bad questions...
... But this user has a good —albeit brief— record:

  • 1 accepted question with a score of +4
  • 1 close-dupe question with a score of +2
  • 2 automatically-closed (by the Community user) with scores of ±0. I've looked at these questions and they weren't bad, they just didn't attract enough of the right people to get a vote or an answer. Ask Ubuntu is broad enough that some people just don't see some subjects like that.
  • 1 flag against them (the duplicate post)

So they hasn't attracted a single negative vote... But they're in "danger of being blocked from asking"?

What is the system actually counting to denote a "bad user" here? I suspect their community-deletions and the dupe are counting against them but I don't think they should.

Dupes happen, especially on technical sites where you can ask exactly the same thing in a dozen different ways... And unanswered, unvoted questions are just as a symptom of a less popular topic as a bad question (as I've said, the quality here was good).

Moreover, the ultimatum we show these users tells them to "improve" their existing posts. How on earth are they supposed to do that here? The Community-deleted ones are only salvageable by a moderator and the one that is duplicate will always be duplicate.

It's impossible for the user to fix themselves; they're stuck.

Certain flag and closure types attract automatic downvotes. These are what you should be counting to indicate bad quality. Until that point you shouldn't be counting users like this in people who are on the brink of being cut off.

And unless they're doing something demonstrably wrong, we shouldn't be banning users for things they can't actually fix.

It'd also be nice for moderators to be able to countermand any automatic blocks. I feel helpless when users come into chat begging to be allowed to try asking another question but the system won't let them. This user in particular has done nothing wrong but this is far from an isolated case.

Please fix.


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We have a user on Ask Ubuntu who just received the "do better or we won't let you play" nastygram, while writing a new question. They aren't banned yet, but they're clearly being told they will be if they carry on.

I understand the point of this feature is to stop people flooding a site with bad questions...
... But this user has a good —albeit brief— record:

  • 1 accepted question with a score of +4
  • 1 close-dupe question with a score of +2
  • 2 automatically-closed (by the Community user) with scores of ±0. I've looked at these questions and they weren't bad, they just didn't attract enough of the right people to get a vote or an answer. Ask Ubuntu is broad enough that some people just don't see some subjects like that.
  • 1 flag against them (the duplicate post)

So they hasn't attracted a single negative vote... But they're in "danger of being blocked from asking"?

What is the system actually counting to denote a "bad user" here? I suspect their community-deletions and the dupe are counting against them but I don't think they should.

Dupes happen, especially on technical sites where you can ask exactly the same thing in a dozen different ways... And unanswered, unvoted questions are just as a symptom of a less popular topic as a bad question (as I've said, the quality here was good).

Moreover, the ultimatum we show these users tells them to "improve" their existing posts. How on earth are they supposed to do that here? The Community-deleted ones are only salvageable by a moderator and the one that is duplicate will always be duplicate.

It's impossible for the user to fix themselves; they're stuck.

Certain flag and closure types attract automatic downvotes. These are what you should be counting to indicate bad quality. Until that point you shouldn't be counting users like this in people who are on the brink of being cut off.

And unless they're doing something demonstrably wrong, we shouldn't be banning users for things they can't actually fix.

It'd also be nice for moderators to be able to countermand any automatic blocks. I feel helpless when users come into chat begging to be allowed to try asking another question but the system won't let them. This user in particular has done nothing wrong but this is far from an isolated case.

Please fix.


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We have a user on Ask Ubuntu who just received the "do better or we won't let you play" nastygram, while writing a new question. They aren't banned yet, but they're clearly being told they will be if they carry on.

I understand the point of this feature is to stop people flooding a site with bad questions...
... But this user has a good —albeit brief— record:

  • 1 accepted question with a score of +4
  • 1 close-dupe question with a score of +2
  • 2 automatically-closed (by the Community user)automatically-closed (by the Community user) with scores of ±0. I've looked at these questions and they weren't bad, they just didn't attract enough of the right people to get a vote or an answer. Ask Ubuntu is broad enough that some people just don't see some subjects like that.
  • 1 flag against them (the duplicate post)

So they hasn't attracted a single negative vote... But they're in "danger of being blocked from asking"?

What is the system actually counting to denote a "bad user" here? I suspect their community-deletions and the dupe are counting against them but I don't think they should.

Dupes happen, especially on technical sites where you can ask exactly the same thing in a dozen different ways... And unanswered, unvoted questions are just as a symptom of a less popular topic as a bad question (as I've said, the quality here was good).

Moreover, the ultimatum we show these users tells them to "improve" their existing posts. How on earth are they supposed to do that here? The Community-deleted ones are only salvageable by a moderator and the one that is duplicate will always be duplicate.

It's impossible for the user to fix themselves; they're stuck.

Certain flag and closure types attract automatic downvotes. These are what you should be counting to indicate bad quality. Until that point you shouldn't be counting users like this in people who are on the brink of being cut off.

And unless they're doing something demonstrably wrong, we shouldn't be banning users for things they can't actually fix.

It'd also be nice for moderators to be able to countermand any automatic blocks. I feel helpless when users come into chat begging to be allowed to try asking another question but the system won't let them. This user in particular has done nothing wrong but this is far from an isolated case.

Please fix.


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Wait! Some of your past questions have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from asking any more.

For help formulating a clear, useful question, see: How do I ask a good question?

Also, edit your previous questions to improve formatting and clarity.

We have a user on Ask Ubuntu who just received the "do better or we won't let you play" nastygram, while writing a new question. They aren't banned yet, but they're clearly being told they will be if they carry on.

I understand the point of this feature is to stop people flooding a site with bad questions...
... But this user has a good —albeit brief— record:

  • 1 accepted question with a score of +4
  • 1 close-dupe question with a score of +2
  • 2 automatically-closed (by the Community user) with scores of ±0. I've looked at these questions and they weren't bad, they just didn't attract enough of the right people to get a vote or an answer. Ask Ubuntu is broad enough that some people just don't see some subjects like that.
  • 1 flag against them (the duplicate post)

So they hasn't attracted a single negative vote... But they're in "danger of being blocked from asking"?

What is the system actually counting to denote a "bad user" here? I suspect their community-deletions and the dupe are counting against them but I don't think they should.

Dupes happen, especially on technical sites where you can ask exactly the same thing in a dozen different ways... And unanswered, unvoted questions are just as a symptom of a less popular topic as a bad question (as I've said, the quality here was good).

Moreover, the ultimatum we show these users tells them to "improve" their existing posts. How on earth are they supposed to do that here? The Community-deleted ones are only salvageable by a moderator and the one that is duplicate will always be duplicate.

It's impossible for the user to fix themselves; they're stuck.

Certain flag and closure types attract automatic downvotes. These are what you should be counting to indicate bad quality. Until that point you shouldn't be counting users like this in people who are on the brink of being cut off.

And unless they're doing something demonstrably wrong, we shouldn't be banning users for things they can't actually fix.

It'd also be nice for moderators to be able to countermand any automatic blocks. I feel helpless when users come into chat begging to be allowed to try asking another question but the system won't let them. This user in particular has done nothing wrong but this is far from an isolated case.

Please fix.


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Wait! Some of your past questions have not been well-received, and you're in danger of being blocked from asking any more.

For help formulating a clear, useful question, see: How do I ask a good question?

Also, edit your previous questions to improve formatting and clarity.

We have a user on Ask Ubuntu who just received the "do better or we won't let you play" nastygram, while writing a new question. They aren't banned yet, but they're clearly being told they will be if they carry on.

I understand the point of this feature is to stop people flooding a site with bad questions...
... But this user has a good —albeit brief— record:

  • 1 accepted question with a score of +4
  • 1 close-dupe question with a score of +2
  • 2 automatically-closed (by the Community user) with scores of ±0. I've looked at these questions and they weren't bad, they just didn't attract enough of the right people to get a vote or an answer. Ask Ubuntu is broad enough that some people just don't see some subjects like that.
  • 1 flag against them (the duplicate post)

So they hasn't attracted a single negative vote... But they're in "danger of being blocked from asking"?

What is the system actually counting to denote a "bad user" here? I suspect their community-deletions and the dupe are counting against them but I don't think they should.

Dupes happen, especially on technical sites where you can ask exactly the same thing in a dozen different ways... And unanswered, unvoted questions are just as a symptom of a less popular topic as a bad question (as I've said, the quality here was good).

Moreover, the ultimatum we show these users tells them to "improve" their existing posts. How on earth are they supposed to do that here? The Community-deleted ones are only salvageable by a moderator and the one that is duplicate will always be duplicate.

It's impossible for the user to fix themselves; they're stuck.

Certain flag and closure types attract automatic downvotes. These are what you should be counting to indicate bad quality. Until that point you shouldn't be counting users like this in people who are on the brink of being cut off.

And unless they're doing something demonstrably wrong, we shouldn't be banning users for things they can't actually fix.

It'd also be nice for moderators to be able to countermand any automatic blocks. I feel helpless when users come into chat begging to be allowed to try asking another question but the system won't let them. This user in particular has done nothing wrong but this is far from an isolated case.

Please fix.


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We have a user on Ask Ubuntu who just received the "do better or we won't let you play" nastygram, while writing a new question. They aren't banned yet, but they're clearly being told they will be if they carry on. 

I understand the point of this feature is to stop people flooding a site with bad questions...

  
... But this userthis user has a good (albeit brief)good —albeit brief— record:

  • 2 purely positively voted questions, one closed as duplicate.1 accepted question with a score of +4
  • 1 close-dupe question with a score of +2
  • 2 questions that were autoautomatically-deletedclosed (by the Community user) by the Community user becausewith scores of ±0. I've looked at these questions and they got no votes or answers withinweren't bad, they just didn't attract enough of the right people to get a yearvote or an answer. Ask Ubuntu is broad enough that some people just don't see some subjects like that.
  • 1 flag against them (the duplicate post)

So they hasn't attracted a single negative vote... But they're in "danger of being blocked from asking"?

The user hasn't attractedWhat is the system actually counting to denote a single negative vote... But we're telling them they're not good enough"bad user" here?

  I suspect their community-deletions and the dupe are counting against them but I don't think they should. 

Dupes happen, especially on technical sites andwhere you can ask exactly the same thing in a dozen different ways... And unanswered, unvoted questions are just as much a failuresymptom of the sitea less popular topic as their askersa bad question (as I've said, the quality here was good).

Moreover, these "bad" questions that the helpultimatum we show these users tells youthem to "improve" their existing posts. How on earth are impossible for the userthey supposed to fix. They cannot undelete thedo that here? The Community-auto-deleted questions, just as they can't un-dupe theirones are only salvageable by a moderator and the one that is duplicate. They're stuck will always be duplicate.

It's impossible for the user to fix themselves; they're stuck.

In short: A questionCertain flag and closure types attract automatic downvotes. These are what you should be counting to indicate bad quality. Until that point you shouldn't count against a userbe counting users like this in people who are on the brink of being cut off.

And unless it has a negative scorethey're doing something demonstrably wrong, we shouldn't be banning users for things they can't actually fix.

It'd also be nice for moderators to be able to countermand any automatic blocks. I feel helpless when users come into chat begging to be allowed to try asking another question but the system won't let them. This user in particular has done nothing wrong but this is far from an isolated case.

Please fix.


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We have a user on Ask Ubuntu who just received the "do better or we won't let you play" nastygram, while writing a new question. They aren't banned, but they're clearly being told they will be if they carry on. I understand the point of this feature is to stop people flooding a site with bad questions...

 ... But this user has a good (albeit brief) record:

  • 2 purely positively voted questions, one closed as duplicate.
  • 2 questions that were auto-deleted by the Community user because they got no votes or answers within a year.

The user hasn't attracted a single negative vote... But we're telling them they're not good enough?

  I suspect their community-deletions and the dupe are counting against them but I don't think they should. Dupes happen, especially on technical sites and unanswered, unvoted questions are just as much a failure of the site as their askers.

Moreover, these "bad" questions that the help tells you to "improve" are impossible for the user to fix. They cannot undelete the Community-auto-deleted questions, just as they can't un-dupe their duplicate. They're stuck.

In short: A question shouldn't count against a user unless it has a negative score.

It'd also be nice for moderators to be able to countermand any automatic blocks. I feel helpless when users come into chat begging to be allowed to try asking another question but the system won't let them. This user in particular has done nothing wrong but this is far from an isolated case.

Please fix.


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We have a user on Ask Ubuntu who just received the "do better or we won't let you play" nastygram, while writing a new question. They aren't banned yet, but they're clearly being told they will be if they carry on. 

I understand the point of this feature is to stop people flooding a site with bad questions... 
... But this user has a good —albeit brief— record:

  • 1 accepted question with a score of +4
  • 1 close-dupe question with a score of +2
  • 2 automatically-closed (by the Community user) with scores of ±0. I've looked at these questions and they weren't bad, they just didn't attract enough of the right people to get a vote or an answer. Ask Ubuntu is broad enough that some people just don't see some subjects like that.
  • 1 flag against them (the duplicate post)

So they hasn't attracted a single negative vote... But they're in "danger of being blocked from asking"?

What is the system actually counting to denote a "bad user" here? I suspect their community-deletions and the dupe are counting against them but I don't think they should. 

Dupes happen, especially on technical sites where you can ask exactly the same thing in a dozen different ways... And unanswered, unvoted questions are just as a symptom of a less popular topic as a bad question (as I've said, the quality here was good).

Moreover, the ultimatum we show these users tells them to "improve" their existing posts. How on earth are they supposed to do that here? The Community-deleted ones are only salvageable by a moderator and the one that is duplicate will always be duplicate.

It's impossible for the user to fix themselves; they're stuck.

Certain flag and closure types attract automatic downvotes. These are what you should be counting to indicate bad quality. Until that point you shouldn't be counting users like this in people who are on the brink of being cut off.

And unless they're doing something demonstrably wrong, we shouldn't be banning users for things they can't actually fix.

It'd also be nice for moderators to be able to countermand any automatic blocks. I feel helpless when users come into chat begging to be allowed to try asking another question but the system won't let them. This user in particular has done nothing wrong but this is far from an isolated case.

Please fix.


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