Timeline for A proposed philosophy of question migration
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| Dec 24, 2019 at 13:36 | history | bounty ended | Resistance Is Futile | ||
| Dec 17, 2019 at 20:03 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | Excellent points. Migration does not work. In rare cases it could be handled manually (by moderators). If OP completely missed the site question itself is most likely not worth migrating. Target scope is also huge problem, not to mention that network has grown in the meantime and canned migration targets often doth quite fit. IMO the only migration path that should be possible through CV is main site to its meta. | |
| Dec 17, 2019 at 15:17 | history | edited | ChrisFMod | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 13, 2019 at 12:48 | comment | added | Maarten Bodewes | Even if migration in the current form may be more of a problem than the problem it is trying to solve, I think that abandoning migration altogether is like putting your head in the sand for the original problem: questions getting asked at the wrong site. We should try to find a scheme that works, and the haphazard current scheme is not a good indicator that migration cannot work. | |
| Oct 13, 2016 at 9:59 | comment | added | ivan_pozdeev | "All off topic questions would simply get closed and eventually deleted" is plain wrong: many closed questions are not eligible for automatic deletion. And potential migration material is the primary offender here since it has some value to warrant upvotes and/or ticks. | |
| Oct 10, 2016 at 14:34 | comment | added | Mark Stosberg | This rings true for me personally. I follow the systemd tag across the network. These questions are probably best suited for Unix and Linux, but sometimes Serverfault or Superuser. They are not supposed to be strictly in-scope for StackExchange, but most of the questions get posted there. I used to spend energy trying to the questions perfectly filed, but I'm mostly given up on that now and just answer the "systemd" questions on whichever site people ask them on. | |
| Oct 8, 2016 at 1:00 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @DanBron: Migration requires all the work of closing a question, all the work of handling a new question (possibly with answers) asked for a different site and pushed by 4 migration voters there, and all the work of making sure a user is paying attention to the move. So what I'm saying is that it accomplishes nothing and is, if anything, somewhat worse off than simply closing the question and having the user re-ask it with the inline help that SE provides at the right site. If migration does no more than make it any harder for the sites, then that clearly is a failed and useless feature. | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 22:39 | comment | added | peterh | @NathanTuggy The question will be a redirect after the migration, thus if the OP comes back, he will be able to find it. If he remains unresponsive, it isn't a more worse problem as the unresponsive OPs in any other questions. | Note: 3k+ users (of the target site) are theoretically considered capable to decide about topicality questions, why they can't simply vote about that a migration offer is accepted or not? | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 22:31 | comment | added | Rand al'Thor | Point #3 is unrelated to the issue of migration: even if migration was abolished altogether, this would still be a problem, as people could still say "you should post this on X instead" rather than "this should be migrated to X". Point #4 isn't a problem, IMO: since part of the point of SE is to build up a repository of useful content for others, a good question is still a net benefit to the target site even if the OP never comes to accept an answer etc. (yeah, what @Jon said in his first comment, which I only just saw :-P ) | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 20:49 | comment | added | Dan Bron | @NathanTuggy How does it create extra work for the target site, above-and-beyond the normal work created by a lazy/shitty question being asked on the target site directly? If you mean it creates more work for the source site, how? They're VTC either way: only the reason changes. I'm personally beginning to reach the conclusion that the target site should have two options: "this question is no different from 90% of questions asked here directly [including questions which are closed as unclear, lacking research, needing clarification, etc]" and "this question can never be on topic, ever". | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 20:47 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @DanBron: But it does. Migration requires extra work and hassle (even above and beyond the normal hassle the source site already endured) for the users of the target site, which goes to waste on a user that's not going to respond. Worse, of course, is the inter-site interactions that are soured by the extra wasted effort being foisted off that way. | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 20:12 | comment | added | Dan Bron | The "users who remain stubbornly greyed out on the target site" are exactly the same users who would never have re-engaged with the question on the origin site. The drive-by users who ask fire-and-forget questions. That population will never change, and has no bearing on the question of migration philosophy. | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 19:52 | comment | added | Jon Ericson StaffMod | @Makoto: I put a couple of queries in my question. There are plenty of other stats that could be added if you fork my queries. | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 19:49 | comment | added | ChrisF Mod | @JonEricson - if it was a good question I'd agree wholeheartedly, but if there's anything that needs discussion of any kind the benefit to the internet at large is somewhat diluted. | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 19:48 | comment | added | Makoto | @JonEricson: Could we get some stats on that aspect? I'm genuinely curious to see if what I suspect and what ChrisF is alluding to is some sort of sampling bias due to Stack Overflow. | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 19:47 | comment | added | Jon Ericson StaffMod | I'd push back on the idea that when the OP doesn't follow the question, it doesn't help anyone. If the question is answered (and many migrated questions are answered) it helps everyone who finds the content via Google. | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 19:46 | comment | added | Makoto | I think #4 is the strongest point you could make on this. My biggest concern when suggesting that a question be migrated is that the user will not follow their question, or forget about it in some context. However, I do wonder if there's some kind of notification that could be sent or some kind of mechanical process to inform them that their question has been moved to this site and that they should create a new account ASAP, although even that I'd fear would get ignored too. | |
| Oct 7, 2016 at 19:43 | history | answered | ChrisFMod | CC BY-SA 3.0 |