Timeline for Drop "not constructive", combine "noisy", reword "rude" and "other" comment flags
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| Aug 26, 2018 at 3:02 | comment | added | Rob | I'm glad you'll "be tracking how these are used, and how their use contrasts with the old reasons" because I've been using the "It's no longer needed." when reasonable, it says under the new UI: "This comment is outdated, conversational or not relevant to this post." yet at space.SE they are always declined while on other sites the flag is effective in clearing out the "I know something toooo!" comments where there's an attempt to argue rather than vote, or point out something unrelated. Basically disparaging or SPAM-seeding noise. | |
| Aug 8, 2017 at 18:24 | comment | added | gnat | @Loong concerns of moderators at smaller sites are much lower priority than those of SO. I think it sucks and I really hate that but that's just the way it is. Granted, smaller sites combined seem to be bringing more traffic than SO for last few years but in order to leverage that mods from smaller sites should probably somehow unite | |
| Aug 6, 2017 at 10:05 | comment | added | user271002 | @gnat As a moderator, I want the old way back. | |
| Jul 21, 2017 at 10:22 | comment | added | gnat | Shog SO moderators say here that rehash made it harder for them to handle comments flags. Probably worth noting that they don't want the old way back (neither do I as a flagger) so this is maybe just a signal that new way needs some further tuning | |
| Jul 18, 2017 at 21:33 | comment | added | MTL | Hm. Is "no longer needed" the best way to describe comments that were previously flagged as "too chatty," and were never needed? Perhaps "not needed" is a better option. | |
| Jul 17, 2017 at 15:04 | comment | added | Shog9 | If it's not obvious from the comment why the comment is obsolete, then you've always been relying on moderators doing some detective work, @Dukeling - so including a description of why you're flagging stands a better chance of working since it saves effort & reduces the chance of errors. If it is obvious, then there's effectively no change. | |
| Jul 16, 2017 at 18:18 | comment | added | Bernhard Barker | I've always considered "obsolete" to mean "the post has been edited to address this" or something like that, not that I trust mods to approve such flags for anything but the most obvious cases (based on past experiences). Now I suppose there's an even greater argument for using custom flags for this fairly common scenario (which will probably get declined stating I should use non-custom flags)? Maybe I just need to be more optimistic. | |
| Jul 16, 2017 at 1:37 | comment | added | Shog9 | Of course we do, @Diminutive - they never decrease though. | |
| Jul 15, 2017 at 22:02 | comment | added | Diminutive Colossus | I didn't know CM's had flag limits | |
| Jul 15, 2017 at 15:57 | comment | added | Shog9 | As noted in this request, I'm trying to keep it simple initially in order to better determine the effect on flaggers of changing available options. Depending on the outcome of that, I may revisit the previous idea at some point. @anonymous2 | |
| Jul 15, 2017 at 11:48 | comment | added | anonymous2 | In your previous post, you suggested that the "No longer needed" flags not be shown to the moderators. Is this in fact the case? | |
| Jul 15, 2017 at 11:28 | comment | added | slugster | Love the new dialog. Can I suggest something - the Be specific and detailed! message should show when the textbox does, and maybe have it slightly bigger and/or bolded so the user is less likely to miss it. Other than that, thanks :) | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 23:12 | comment | added | Shog9 | Maybe, @honk; I'll watch how it's used / how many are declined in practice. My advice in general would be to defer to "in need of moderator intervention" if it's not obvious from the comment itself why a different reason would apply. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 21:34 | comment | added | honk | Shouldn't it be possible for users to add some custom text to the "no longer needed" flag? I think that it now becomes more difficult for a mod to understand, why a comment is no longer needed. Therefore I fear more rejected flags... | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 21:23 | comment | added | Shog9 | Let's not have that discussion here, @Braiam; instead, see: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/4217/… | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 21:20 | comment | added | Ryan | I guess its just our exchange (GraphicDesign) but we get them constantly every day. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 21:20 | comment | added | Braiam | @BradLarson But comments are not useful answers, because you can't vote it down when they are wrong, misguided or plainly irrelevant. You should delete those comments and invite the user to post it as answer, so we can fully asses it. Also, answers on comments are free for all to make an answer based of them, at which point it becomes redundant. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 21:08 | comment | added | Brad Larson | @Ryan - That's assuming these should be deleted. Moderators have no means of converting these to answers, so our only option is to delete them. I'm not going to remove useful information left in a comment because it's too useful. That seems counterproductive. As Aaron points out, the only time this might be appropriate would be when the commenter has already converted this to an answer themselves, in which case "no longer needed" fits. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 21:02 | history | edited | Servy | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
As mentioned in the question, and in the long description, this flag is also covering "obsolete".
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| Jul 14, 2017 at 20:58 | comment | added | Aaron Hall | @Ryan 1) Make sure the info is in an answer. 2) Flag as "no longer needed". | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 20:51 | comment | added | Shadow Wizard | @Ryan it's not common enough to justify whole flag reason for that. The whole point of the change here is to have less reasons, making the interface cleaner and eaiser to understand. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 20:50 | comment | added | SevenSidedDie | But having "Answer left as comment" as a flag communicates that answers in comments should be flagged & removed. I used to often custom flag comments as such but they were almost universally declined, so I've stopped. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 20:25 | comment | added | Shog9 | You can just type that into the box that's presented for option #3 | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 20:24 | comment | added | Ryan | Any chance of a flag, "Answer left as comment" or something of that nature? | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 20:00 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | Heh, I just saw this while reaching for "not constructive" and wondered what happened! Nice. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 19:57 | comment | added | Shog9 | The Int'l sites will need to wait for translation of the new string(s); once that's done & built, they'll look less awful. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 19:56 | comment | added | ArtEze | In StackOverflow in Spanish we have it in English, which is incorrect, but I suppose that is not a problem of the English site. Anyway I leave the comment. | |
| Jul 14, 2017 at 19:55 | history | edited | Shog9 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Jul 14, 2017 at 19:48 | history | answered | Shog9 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |