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| Oct 26, 2017 at 2:25 | comment | added | user1306322 | @NathanTuggy ye that's kinda my point. | |
| Oct 25, 2017 at 19:37 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @user1306322: The name of the thing changes because the effect of a flag is not identical to the effect of a vote. One only calls for attention; the other also takes a definite step toward resolution. Mashing them together as the same concept would just be confusing. | |
| Oct 18, 2017 at 17:27 | history | edited | user1306322 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
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| Oct 13, 2017 at 18:17 | comment | added | user1306322 | Well, that's what I find wrong with this approach − if you pass a threshold, why should the name of the thing change then? Just keep calling it flags, no? Why suddenly rename it to "close vote" and divide between two differently connotated categories of review actions? I find it confusing. Flag icon to me only bears the extremely serious connotation, and I find using it for both trivial and not so serious issues wrong. | |
| Oct 13, 2017 at 17:04 | comment | added | Cody Gray | At low rep levels, all you can do is flag for closure. At higher rep levels, all you can do is vote to close. Flags to close are automatically converted into votes to close. The idea is not to break your original routine just because you passed a magic threshold. If you were flagging successfully before, we want you to keep up the good work at dispatching garbage. Yes, both close flags (from low-rep users) and close votes (from higher-rep users) put a post into the Close review queue. I see them all as flags, certainly in a metaphorical sense. | |
| Oct 13, 2017 at 16:57 | comment | added | user1306322 | @CodyGray it's weird to me that you can achieve the same effects via both close votes and flags, after you've earned enough rep. One has the connotation you describe, but the other less so. Again, this feels like a problem in the site's communication language to me. | |
| Oct 13, 2017 at 10:01 | comment | added | Cody Gray | Serious problems doesn't mean they cannot be resolved by regular users. Trusted users have moderation privileges. That is a fundamental aspect of Stack Exchange's design. For example, "not an answer" and "very low quality" flags put a post into the "Low Quality Posts" review queue, where users with review privileges review them, deciding whether they look OK, need editing, or should be deleted. How did I learn this? I've been around here for, like, ever. 7+ years now. Maybe the UI could be clearer, but I don't think it's miscommunicating. It does say " or moderator attention". | |
| Oct 13, 2017 at 9:53 | comment | added | user1306322 | @CodyGray how did you learn that information? When I hover over the "flag" text, the tooltip says "flag this post for serious problems or moderator attention". To me "serious problems" means it's not something trivial that users can resolve without the help of higher ups. Otherwise there are close votes and editing, which is for most users. Perhaps the difference between how I and you view flags is a result of miscommunication on the site's part. | |
| Oct 13, 2017 at 8:37 | comment | added | Cody Gray | I very much disagree with that. There is only one type of flag that is reviewed exclusively by moderators, and that's the "requires moderator attention" flag (also commonly known as the "other" flag). The standard flag types are all reviewed by the community, using the review queues, so a flag seems like a completely appropriate mnemonic device for that. | |
| Oct 12, 2017 at 15:41 | comment | added | user1306322 | @CodyGray what I meant is "moderator privileges for reviewing flagged posts" which as the majority of users know, means something is very wrong with the post to the point where users are not capable of dealing with it. Flag = users can't fix this, call the police. Not the icon you want for to use something that concerns normal users. You've got 50k of rep man, you should know that's not right. | |
| Oct 12, 2017 at 10:07 | comment | added | Cody Gray | "My first thought if I saw that would be 'Somehow I gained moderator privileges?'" Yes, exactly! You have! These sites are moderated by the community, and anyone with privileges to review posts does have moderator privileges. Most of what you're reviewing in the review queue are flagged posts. Some of them are flagged by the system, some of them are flagged by humans, but they're still being flagged and need your attention. Great icon, instantly recognizable. | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 20:30 | comment | added | Ajean | "Bottom right is a comment about a stapler." Haha! While I had not seen 'stapler' in that icon, now that's going to be the only thing I can see. Which of course is quite terrible for the review icon. | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 18:12 | comment | added | user1306322 | That's why I said thanks to modern GUI practices, it's being used for both menus and settings interchangeably these days. In any case, neither conveys the meaning of "review" or "queue". | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 17:55 | comment | added | Peter Taylor | "It's for settings, everybody knows that thanks to modern GUI practices" is not true. I thought it was for menus in general. For settings I would expect to see either a cog or a spanner. | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 16:37 | history | answered | user1306322 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |