Timeline for The second draft of our Code of Conduct is available for feedback and review
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| Jul 25, 2018 at 16:20 | comment | added | Amadeus | @TimPost As gnat says. Deleted text is only visible if readers bother to go see the edit, and even if they did there is no facility for us to vote on whether a moderator deletion was unfair and should be undone. (as there is if a regular user changes our post). Eyes don't help, there is no "nice" way to call attention to what seems a fundamentally unfair and selective deletion, with a vague CoC to cite that effectively rules out nothing for a moderator regardless of what the non-moderator community thinks. What's our recourse when moderators back each other and don't care what we think? | |
| Jul 25, 2018 at 15:29 | comment | added | gnat | @TimPost I am confused, what do you mean to say about lots of eyes and that mod actions are open to inspection from the communities, did you by chance mixed posts and comments? Deleted comments are visible only to moderators, this is neither lots of eyes (especially since moderators have lots of other things to do) nor anyhow possible to inspect by community | |
| Jul 25, 2018 at 14:21 | comment | added | user50049 | This is probably worth asking as a separate question if my comment didn't give enough information; there's more background and depth we could go into. | |
| Jul 25, 2018 at 14:19 | comment | added | user50049 | Eyes, essentially. Lots and lots of eyes. All moderator actions are visible, and open to inspection from the communities that they serve, as well as us. There have been instances where there were complaints that rules were being enforced selectively, and we expended precisely what was owed, which was hundreds of hours on our part investigating, talking, educating (the religious sites for context). We've yet to see the checks-and-balances break down, and massive reports of exclusion is what prompted this. | |
| Jul 25, 2018 at 14:18 | comment | added | rene Mod | @Amadeus depends a bit on the size of the site but on SO most stuff is flagged/edited and deleted by regular members. Mods are still only involved in stuff regular users can't solve on their own. Posts are still soft deleted so any non-mod with the right privileges can see what got deleted and by whom. And in fierce comment debates I assume those participate will notice if stuff gets deleted one-sided. I'm not saying it never happens, all I'm saying is that those issues are not new and having a CoC or a be nice policy doesn't change anything for what you seem to perceive as an issue. | |
| Jul 25, 2018 at 13:55 | comment | added | Amadeus | @rene How would we know if it is selectively applied? Moderators pick and choose which posts/answers/comments to edit or delete, if they do not have to explain why they chose one and not another, then what prevents a moderator from being silently selective in their application of these rules and exercising personal animus or ideological bias? | |
| Jul 25, 2018 at 8:28 | comment | added | rene Mod | we're all adults no, we're not. Age limit is 14 (16 if in the EU). I beg to differ we're doing fine, but can we agree on that we can do better? The CoC can't be selectively applied IMO. Anyone is bound to it. If selectivity is the case, raise an issue. I'm not sure why the Iron Lady has to be brought to the discussion but from a distance I would say the conservatives are to blame for heck of a lot of trouble, not just a failed CoC. One bad example doesn't make all other CoC's as bad. | |
| Jul 25, 2018 at 8:15 | comment | added | Captain Kenpachi | The difference now is that we have an official code of conduct, which can be selectively applied. IMO we've been doing just fine without one. Because we're all adults. Margaret Thatcher also thought it was no big deal when they introduced a "code of conduct" in parliament and look how it turned out. | |
| Jul 25, 2018 at 7:57 | comment | added | rene Mod | Aren't the safeguards (listed in order of escalation) Meta, the Moderator team, the Community Management team and the Contact Us page? I don't see how those currently in place and proven processes are going to be influenced by a CoC. This CoC only codifies how we, the community members, interact with each other in a respectful way. In its current form there is no sign it leans to a certain ideology nor do I see how it can be used directly to "get rid of" members. The routes to handle (mod) abuse are unaffected so the safeguards that were already in place remain. | |
| Jul 25, 2018 at 7:28 | history | answered | Captain Kenpachi | CC BY-SA 4.0 |