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Dec 27, 2018 at 2:01 comment added Jesse @animuson Yeah, I really understand what you're trying to say now. And, I also get the feeling that you expressed, that it really is an involved, complex discussion, but also that too many changes now would simply be undone in the distant future... It all makes sense what you want to say, ty, really!
Dec 27, 2018 at 0:12 comment added Shadow Wizard How many posts actually got undeleted after their author voted to undelete it? I suspect nearly zero. So the only effective way would still be to flag, even if users will be able to vote to undelete a mod deleted post.
Dec 26, 2018 at 23:21 comment added animuson StaffMod @Jesse Does this edit make it a bit more clear?
Dec 26, 2018 at 23:20 history edited animusonStaffMod CC BY-SA 4.0
Try to clarify some statements better.
Dec 26, 2018 at 23:06 comment added Jesse Yes, I am familiar with all that. Your last comment clears everything up because you state which feature you mean. I would like it in the answer somewhere. How about "Preventing votes on moderator deletions is a feature that may become obsolete anyway." before the first "With that feature gone" ...then I would understand. Knowing that—and everything else you wrote—is VERY helpful, I just want to understand your good answer for what it is. ty, honestly.
Dec 26, 2018 at 22:59 comment added animuson StaffMod @Jesse You do understand the full vote to undelete system? Normally, a post requires three users to delete it, and requires three users to undelete it. We make an exception to that (and allow a single vote from the author) if it was deleted directly from review. We also make an exception that disallows voting at all if a diamond moderator deleted it. Only that last part (preventing votes on moderator deletions) would become obsolete, and would return to requiring three users to undelete as the default behavior. Similar to how a moderator closing a question still requires five reopen votes.
Dec 26, 2018 at 22:53 comment added Jesse I've read it three times. I could only guess which feature you mean because you don't state explicitly. I thought you meant the "undelete [vote]" feature, but my edit was rejected, so the to-become-obsolete feature must be something else. I'm sure that you know what you're talking about, but I can't understand it as written. Please edit to at least state which feature will be made obsolete so I can understand what "that feature" is and I will change my downvote to an upvote.
Dec 26, 2018 at 22:40 comment added animuson StaffMod @Jesse I encourage you to actually reread the entire answer. It is much more complex than that, and you're vastly oversimplifying what I said. I do suggest rewording the specific error message for the time being, but I do not come anywhere close to saying that the entire vote to undelete system would become obsolete, only the part that disallows users voting to undelete a post deleted by a moderator.
Dec 26, 2018 at 22:35 review Suggested edits
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Dec 26, 2018 at 22:34 comment added Jesse This is a question about UX practice: Should statements lie? You have a feature that will be made obsolete, I think you mean the "[vote to] undelete" link? If that's the feature, no other UX tweak is needed and that solves everything the best way, even interim. Thanks for your inside baseball report. I'm editing to put your answer clearly at the top, presuming that's what you mean.
Dec 26, 2018 at 21:16 history answered animusonStaffMod CC BY-SA 4.0