Timeline for Why were the Code of Conduct changes received so negatively, and what can / could have been done to change that?
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| Oct 11, 2019 at 22:25 | comment | added | undefined | The CoC is not a legal code, it’s some guidelines to get along. | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 14:10 | comment | added | einpoklum | It's excessive to require people to be compassionate. It's great if they are, but you can't require it - especially from those people who have to deal with the flood of close-worthy newbie questions. So -1. | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 13:51 | comment | added | tim | @LukeMcGregor That's not my experience. I've seen plenty of disparaging comments about eg Jews or black people at eg politics.SE, and even with the CoC as-is, handling of them has at times been less than ideal. If we reduce the CoC to not being "unpleasant to each other", it gives us even less power to have negative comments about groups of people removed (because it can be countered with 'it's not mean to a specific user and according to the CoC you should just tolerate my ideas/values'). | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 13:30 | comment | added | undefined | Id also argue that 'don't say mean things' is more effective in this community than litigation and rules. The community as a whole doesn't like it when people are unpleasant to each other and they flag/edit/delete/respond all the time to correct such things. Everyone knows when someone is trying to bait or troll, and in my experience it vanishes pretty quickly. | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 13:20 | comment | added | undefined | @Tim If we are going to get on we all need to accept that sometimes that's going to mean letting it go when what we believe conflicts with what someone else does. What we need to avoid is people deliberately trying to hurt each other or do damage to people who are different. We cannot prevent people getting offended in a diverse community (and we shouldn't try). Preventing offence is synonymous with reducing diversity. | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 13:02 | comment | added | tim | This doesn't even mention bigotry, but does manage to state that "other ideas" / "offensive things" should be tolerated multiple times. It's pretty clear that such a CoC would open the doors for antisemitic, racist, sexist, trans- and homophobic commentary if it is just phrased nicely enough / not "deliberate". At non-technical sites we already have enough problems handling the bigotry without a CoC that explicitly says that it should be tolerated. | |
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| S Oct 11, 2019 at 11:12 | history | suggested | J.R. means 'Just Reinstate' | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Oct 11, 2019 at 11:10 | comment | added | undefined | I think lighthearted is really important too, you don't want a heavy handed CoC that turns common sense into a list of taboos | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 11:08 | comment | added | undefined | I guess overall what im trying to say is I want a CoC that's going to do a couple of things, put people at ease. Set them on the right footing for conflict, and tell them we expect respect. I remember way back this was how it was, and I think it fostered a much healthier community. | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 11:06 | comment | added | πάντα ῥεῖ | @Raedwald There's also the question "what can / could have been done to change that?", thus at least it's answering the question partially. | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 11:06 | comment | added | J.R. means 'Just Reinstate' | @Raedwald - I think this answers the question well. The gist of the answer is, "Because we would have preferred a lighter, more flexible CoC instead of one that seems so agenda-driven." | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 11:05 | comment | added | undefined | @Raedwald this is what I was answering: What are the (main) reasons that the current changes are received so negatively? And how could/should Stack Exchange improve to make sure such major changes are received better in the future | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 11:03 | comment | added | undefined | totally agree, its one of the common offences | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 11:03 | comment | added | Raedwald | This does not answer the question "why are the code of conduct changes received so negatively". | |
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| Oct 11, 2019 at 11:03 | comment | added | πάντα ῥεῖ | @LukeMcGregor Yeah, at least adding that point was a good idea. | |
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| Oct 11, 2019 at 11:01 | comment | added | undefined | @πάνταῥεῖ that capture the sentiment as colloquially as possible? | |
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| Oct 11, 2019 at 10:49 | comment | added | πάντα ῥεῖ | @ErikA "SE is not a social network" You have some good (basic) point here. I'd recommend to add: "Don't take critiques about your posted content personal, but concentrate about improving the content," | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 10:49 | comment | added | undefined | @eric_a fair call you are totally right, but you get my point | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 10:45 | comment | added | Erik A | SE is not a social network, you shouldn't try to get to know anyone imo because that generally generates a lot of noise not related to the Q&A (except perhaps in chat). | |
| Oct 11, 2019 at 10:42 | history | answered | undefined | CC BY-SA 4.0 |