Timeline for The new moderator agreement is now live for moderators to accept across the network
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| Jul 13, 2020 at 16:35 | history | edited | user1271772 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
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| Jul 11, 2020 at 17:23 | comment | added | user1271772 | @BryanKrause I was thinking of branching this into a new question, but so far I was just trying to voice my opinions that I disagree with some of the comments, and they were doing the same back, so it was more of a "natural discussion" than an intentional pivot/diversion. I'm afraid to ask questions here because "Meta is Murder". It seems you have 7 answers but no questions! So maybe you don't yet have first-hand experience with it! You might also have enough experience to avoid the mistakes most people make here though. I made the mistake of asking questions when I was brand new to MSE :'( | |
| Jul 11, 2020 at 17:13 | comment | added | Bryan Krause | @user1271772 Seems like this is something to raise in a separate meta question because it has little to do with the mod agreement itself. | |
| Jul 11, 2020 at 16:03 | comment | added | user1271772 | statement <<By clicking “Sign up”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy>> does not appear until an inch below the "sign-up" button, so technically users can sign up without ever seeing that statement, and I'd argue that it is definitely not made clear that they are bound to the privacy policy or the "privacy notice" that you linked to. Furthermore, even if the user is bound to both of these, neither says that IP addresses will be seen by nearly a thousand people. | |
| Jul 11, 2020 at 16:01 | comment | added | user1271772 | @Catija That is a different privacy policy from the one that new users are asked to agree to when they post an answer as a guest or sign up for a new account. It says "By clicking “Sign up”, you agree to our terms of service, privacy policy and cookie policy." When you go to that privacy, if you search "moderators" or "elevated" you get 0 results, which means that the sentence you have quoted, is not there. What you have referred to as "the Privacy Policy" is actually the "Privacy Notice for the Public Network" But another problem is that the | |
| Jul 11, 2020 at 15:54 | comment | added | user1271772 | @JourneymanGeek You don't need to sell me on the idea that you feel it's necessary for a mod to communicate a user's PII to a mod on a different site. What you might not be able to appreciate is the perspective of non mods, as you have now been a mod for at least 6 years. I just double checked: To post as a guest it asks for the email address and says "Required, but never shown". This is also what I remember seeing when I signed up for SO about a decade ago. This absolutely does not make it clear that 500+ mods will see my email address. | |
| Jul 11, 2020 at 8:09 | comment | added | Journeyman Geek Mod | @user1271772 Its worth clarifying I only have direct access to that on the sites I moderate (MSE and SU). Issues can go across sites - or sometimes, like issues on chat, cross site boundaries. We might discuss similarities between say, a troll we both deal with or sometimes even pass on issues on other sites someone's asked us to pass on in confidence. We might work together to deal with a spam flood on our sites using similar IPs and Emails (which needs us to share that information). | |
| Jul 11, 2020 at 5:11 | comment | added | Shog9 | FWIW, 10 years ago it was all a lot more lax; moderator and admin privileges were very similar, moderators saw emails and other data just as readily as the owner of the account. Heck... They were expected to use this info to contact people if the need arose! | |
| Jul 11, 2020 at 1:23 | comment | added | user1271772 | @Catija that is true, but when signing up it just says "will not be shared publicly" next to the email address field. I was under the impression for many years that my email address was completely private. Maybe that's because I wasn't the smartest SO user, or maybe the privacy policy was different about 10 years ago. But I've been quite active here and am quite educated so if I didn't figure it out I'm sure some of the other 16 million users were in the same boat. I'd also not interpret "user profile data" to include IP address, since that's not part of my profile (my email address is). | |
| Jul 11, 2020 at 0:51 | comment | added | Catija StaffMod | It's specifically in the Privacy Policy - "Moderators, who have elevated access privileges, may access non-public user profile data as well as content in posts and other public data." | |
| Jul 11, 2020 at 0:12 | comment | added | user1271772 | @animuson I accept now that in your opinion it is needed for mods to sometimes share PII with mods from other sites. I accept that probably all other mods feel that way too. Catija's post mentions that mods might need to share PII with other mods from the same site or staff in a CM escalation, but nothing about sharing with mods on other sites. Anyway, would you consider making it more clear to users when they sign up, that their PII can be seen by mods and shared among 550 mods? It took 7 years for me to find out they can see my IP address & therefore every place I travel to with my phone on. | |
| Jul 11, 2020 at 0:03 | comment | added | animuson StaffMod | Because nobody thought about it? The verbiage change isn't suddenly allowing moderators to do something new. It is aligning the agreement with what we've been allowing moderators to do for years and just didn't realize was prohibited by overly strict language in the agreement. | |
| Jul 11, 2020 at 0:00 | comment | added | user1271772 | @animuson If they were needed, why were they disallowed for years? Why wasn't a change made several years ago? | |
| Jul 10, 2020 at 23:49 | comment | added | animuson StaffMod | I don't follow... The whole point of changing the verbiage was because all of those needed things were technically disallowed for years? As pointed out, the original verbiage technically meant a moderator could look at stuff and literally not type it anywhere to anyone whatsoever, even to staff. The verbiage has been fixed to match the intended behavior. | |
| Jul 10, 2020 at 23:35 | comment | added | user1271772 | @animuson If it's needed, then why was it technically not allowed for the last 12 years? | |
| Jul 10, 2020 at 22:56 | comment | added | animuson StaffMod | You are misinterpeting what was written as the purpose or sole goal of the update. It was just an example of basic things that were technically prohibited in the original version and didn't make sense. There are situations where moderators on different sites would need to be able to discuss information about a user that is misbehaving on both those sites, and the current wording is intentional. | |
| Jul 10, 2020 at 22:24 | comment | added | user1271772 | @MadScientist The original post by Catija says "to allow collaboration between mods on the same site...", which does not match the V2. You say that "it would not work" to prohibit sharing of information between mods of different sites, but the V1 didn't allow sharing of information "to anyone". | |
| Jul 10, 2020 at 22:21 | comment | added | Mad Scientist | There are situations where you want to exchange PII with mods of other sites. Those situations are rare, but they happen. The default should be to not share that information with mods from other sites, but prohibiting that entirely would not work. | |
| Jul 10, 2020 at 22:02 | history | answered | user1271772 | CC BY-SA 4.0 |