Timeline for New top bar is live
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| Oct 17 at 18:53 | history | protected | Joe Friend | ||
| Aug 13 at 15:07 | comment | added | Kevin B | This top bar is still awful. | |
| Aug 13 at 9:43 | history | edited | Shadow Wizard | CC BY-SA 4.0 |
remove dead link
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| Jul 10, 2018 at 22:32 | answer | added | clickbait | timeline score: 2 | |
| S Dec 13, 2017 at 0:33 | history | suggested | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
recently implemented behavior
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| Dec 12, 2017 at 22:12 | review | Suggested edits | |||
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| Dec 1, 2017 at 23:09 | history | edited | Joe FriendStaff | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
updated with status
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| Nov 28, 2017 at 18:54 | history | edited | Donald Duck | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
the new icon is there now
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| Nov 17, 2017 at 20:29 | review | Suggested edits | |||
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| Nov 16, 2017 at 8:54 | history | edited | Shadow Wizard | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
stackexchange.com just got it
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| Oct 30, 2017 at 22:25 | comment | added | Organic Marble | Not on my Linux netbook/Midori browser. Will post screenshot when I get on reasonable wifi. | |
| Oct 30, 2017 at 15:06 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @OrganicMarble I'm confused by your comment. The top bar is responsive and shrinks down to a very small size. (see screenshot). | |
| Oct 29, 2017 at 16:05 | answer | added | Michael Karas | timeline score: -3 | |
| Oct 29, 2017 at 2:46 | comment | added | Organic Marble | Another reason this is horrible. It's too wide to fit on my netbook screen. So I have to scroll to the right to select the site switcher. While the useless link in the top left corner, which is accessible without scrolling, sits glaring at me stupidly, | |
| Oct 25, 2017 at 14:30 | history | edited | Joe FriendStaff |
Removed featured tag
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| Oct 25, 2017 at 1:46 | answer | added | jscs | timeline score: 6 | |
| S Oct 21, 2017 at 6:00 | history | suggested | aparente001 | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
cleaned up the English
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| Oct 21, 2017 at 2:48 | review | Suggested edits | |||
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| Oct 20, 2017 at 17:45 | comment | added | Basic | I'm pretty much ready to give up on SO. You keep changing the layout, adding pointless features and making the site hard to use. How about a little consistency and UX? Failing that, just listen to the feedback you're getting. If the site design is too cramped to have proper labels, that doesn't mean nobody needs labels, it means the latest iteration of your design is inadequate. | |
| Oct 20, 2017 at 16:27 | history | edited | Joe FriendStaff | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
update on progress.
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| Oct 19, 2017 at 7:28 | comment | added | NoDataDumpNoContribution | "There is no room for legible labels in the current design." One could just change the current design to make room for legible labels. | |
| Oct 19, 2017 at 6:55 | comment | added | Shadow Wizard | @WiccanKarnak chat, Area51, and stackexchange.com all have only a "copy" of the top bar, code-wise. It's delicate job for the developers, and they don't want to copy something which is still bugged. I prefer they wait until all dust settles down and only then copy the top bar. TL;DR: 6-8 weeks. | |
| S Oct 19, 2017 at 4:35 | history | bounty ended | CommunityBot | ||
| S Oct 19, 2017 at 4:35 | history | notice removed | user307833 | ||
| Oct 18, 2017 at 13:21 | comment | added | Neumann | I stopped using StackOverflow after introducing new topbar because it's irritating, uncomfortable and counter-intuitive. Now it seems that I'm going to stop using all other SE sites. | |
| Oct 18, 2017 at 11:50 | comment | added | WiccanKarnak | The chat.SE place still has the top left StackExchange drop down menu, which makes it extremely confusing. At least change the bar there to maintain uniformity or take the top right part of the redesigned bar to top left of the chat pages | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 21:57 | answer | added | spacetyper | timeline score: 8 | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 16:37 | comment | added | Shadow Wizard | @JoeFriend sorry to hear! Best wishes and quick recovery to you and your family then, and glad the feedback is being noticed. | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 15:51 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @ShadowWizard Thanks for the concern. My family and I have been sick for the past four days. The team is still reading and evaluating the feedback (this post and several others). In fact we are meeting to discuss today. We will be responding, but probably not point by point due to volume. | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 12:03 | comment | added | user307833 | @ShadowWizard I do intend to award it to that specific answer. But I also want it to be up for the full week to draw attention to the fact that the new top bar sucks, and that there is a userscript to revert most of the terrible changes. | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 12:02 | comment | added | Shadow Wizard | @Mego oh, from the bounty reason and description looked like you meant it for one specific answer. | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 12:00 | comment | added | user307833 | @ShadowWizard There's still 2 days left. I intend to leave it up for the full count. | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 10:52 | comment | added | Shadow Wizard | On a side note, looks like @JoeFriend "gave up" on us, and not responding to feedback anymore. Last comment 6 days ago, and there are dozens of comments which need his attention. Oh well, we'll survive. :) | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 10:50 | comment | added | Shadow Wizard | @ICan it's all because of Stack Overflow. The top bar there is used for navigation as well, i.e. the tabs which appear on all sites below the top bar (Questions, Tags, Users) are part of the top bar in Stack Overflow. So they needed something new, and reduce size of all other parts of the top bar. And since Stack Overflow is part of Stack Exchange network, they couldn't leave it with a totally different top bar. The result is ugly hybrid, no doubt, but at least they tried. Think it's all explained in some MSO discussion, probably in the top bar introduction there. | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 10:45 | comment | added | Shadow Wizard | @Mego looks like you forgot to award the bounty? | |
| Oct 17, 2017 at 6:00 | comment | added | trlkly | Nevermind. On refresh, I do get hovertips. Don't know what was going on before. | |
| Oct 16, 2017 at 23:37 | comment | added | Mazura | Top answer says we don't like it. Edit: "New top bar is live. If you don't like it, click HERE." (link to script) | |
| Oct 16, 2017 at 16:50 | answer | added | Tyler | timeline score: 4 | |
| Oct 16, 2017 at 10:55 | answer | added | muru | timeline score: 2 | |
| Oct 16, 2017 at 1:13 | comment | added | Nathan Tuggy | @ICanHazUpvotzPleez: There wasn't enough moved cheese this year. SO devs have a very strict quota, and if they don't meet it, they don't get a yearly bonus. | |
| Oct 14, 2017 at 17:01 | answer | added | Devin | timeline score: 24 | |
| Oct 14, 2017 at 14:30 | answer | added | Mostafa Soufi | timeline score: -2 | |
| Oct 14, 2017 at 12:05 | comment | added | user310756 | @JoeFriend I've asked for this meta.stackexchange.com/questions/302093/… | |
| Oct 14, 2017 at 11:30 | answer | added | Tom Carpenter | timeline score: 6 | |
| Oct 14, 2017 at 3:45 | comment | added | user315433 | @Mazura It's just below on this page | |
| Oct 14, 2017 at 0:31 | comment | added | thedanotto | No one really uses meta anyways. | |
| Oct 13, 2017 at 23:20 | history | edited | Joe FriendStaff | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
updated status on review queue icon survey
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| Oct 13, 2017 at 22:01 | comment | added | Mazura | Great. Link to script that puts it back the way it was, please. | |
| Oct 13, 2017 at 8:02 | answer | added | Nog Shine | timeline score: 13 | |
| Oct 12, 2017 at 22:44 | answer | added | Jon EricsonStaffMod | timeline score: 28 | |
| Oct 12, 2017 at 16:44 | answer | added | Olin Lathrop | timeline score: 14 | |
| Oct 12, 2017 at 16:25 | answer | added | user1306322 | timeline score: 4 | |
| Oct 12, 2017 at 10:15 | comment | added | Bálint | Why can't the review queue icon be something like a magnifying glass? | |
| Oct 12, 2017 at 6:07 | comment | added | Massimo Ortolano | About the position of site switcher, you say: "We know that this will take some getting use to, but based on previous experience with changes like this we are confident that everyone can make this adjustment": No, this adjustment is annoying also because in the Android app the site switcher is on the left, and one should continuously switch between the two positions. | |
| Oct 12, 2017 at 5:08 | comment | added | John Militer | Noooooooooooooo!!!!!!! I don't like the new top bar!!!!!!!!!!!! | |
| S Oct 12, 2017 at 3:58 | history | bounty started | CommunityBot | ||
| S Oct 12, 2017 at 3:58 | history | notice added | user307833 | Reward existing answer | |
| Oct 12, 2017 at 2:32 | comment | added | Cœur | Non cheated label suggestion: achiev. | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 23:05 | comment | added | Voltage Spike | @JoeFriend That was confusing, well at least I know where it is now. | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 22:58 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @laptop2d Site switcher has switched on SO.com and all Q&A sites. It's on the far right. SE.com will be updated later (along with Area 51 and chat). | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 22:16 | comment | added | Voltage Spike | @JoeFriend The one in the top left? There is no drop down for me when I am on a sub site like EE.SE. When I go back to the meta, the drop down reappears, when I go back to EE.SE the drop down disappears and I cannot access the meta for EE.SE. I can't access anything, there is no drop down, clicking on the button takes me back to stackexchange.com Even on this page there is no drop down for me | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 22:05 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @laptop2d The meta for the site you're on is linked to in the site switcher. | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 22:02 | comment | added | Voltage Spike | I can't get to the meta sites anymore through the top bar when I'm on a sub-site, I used to click on the drop down but it isn't there anymore when I'm on a sub-site like EE.SE. The only way to get to the meta is through my profile. Super annoying | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 19:11 | answer | added | user278533 | timeline score: 13 | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 18:45 | answer | added | user278533 | timeline score: 14 | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 17:38 | comment | added | Elder Geek | Personally, I don't see how losing the count of items awaiting review is helpful. To be perfectly clear it's a detriment. | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 17:10 | answer | added | Werner | timeline score: 10 | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 16:43 | answer | added | user1306322 | timeline score: 13 | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 16:37 | answer | added | user1306322 | timeline score: 7 | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 13:21 | answer | added | Rand al'Thor | timeline score: 5 | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 12:11 | answer | added | user351483 | timeline score: 11 | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 7:54 | answer | added | Peter Taylor | timeline score: 23 | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 6:07 | comment | added | Steve Bennett | Sorry amWhy, replied to wrong person. I meant @JoeFriend: could you please add a "none of the above" option to the poll? | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 3:27 | comment | added | Draco18s no longer trusts SE |
Review queue icon sucks and the associated poll: ew. I only like one of them (#5, lower center) and was forced to pick a second. I went with #4 (lower left), which would've been like....my fifth choice (with the other four being sixteenth through thirtieth).
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| Oct 11, 2017 at 2:10 | answer | added | muru | timeline score: 35 | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 1:10 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | @JoeFriend here's the new post about the network profile. Thanks for considering. | |
| Oct 11, 2017 at 1:03 | answer | added | Robotnik | timeline score: 45 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 23:10 | answer | added | boboquack | timeline score: 14 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 23:08 | comment | added | amWhy | Not quite sure what you're asking of me, @SteveBennett. I do not understand to what comment specifically you are replying to. I certainly never set out to make an exhaustive list of concerns/complaints, if that's what you mean. Please read the last sentence in my second second comment above this post. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 22:53 | comment | added | Steve Bennett | @amWhy Could you please add an option for "none of these"? Personally, none of the options speak to me. The thing that tells me what it is is the red circle. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 22:42 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @WhyNought Yes we are still open to feedback. You can post it here. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 22:26 | answer | added | Shadow Wizard | timeline score: 36 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 22:15 | comment | added | amWhy | ... (cont.) Does the process: (creation of a new design, evaluation, improvements, etc, then implementation for a small fraction of all to-be-affected-users as a "test," feedback analysis, tweaking, and then today, Implementation-net-work-wide implementation), include an additional feedback loop, so all users, network wide, can weigh in the the changes? If not, why not? | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 22:12 | comment | added | amWhy | Please demonstrate or explain, on each of the 171 SE sites, how each site and its users can get "used to" (transition to) the current top bar. There are valid questions (see answers here) about deleted immediate access to features that existed until less than 12 hours ago. About design, about placement and reversals. There is also an awful lot of feedback and concerns... | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 21:19 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @TylerH We don't need everyone to fill out the survey, so it doesn't need to be super high profile. We just need a sampling to figure out which icon(s) resonate most with folks. We already have over 300 responses which is probably more than enough. That said, we will leave it open until tomorrow afternoon. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 20:44 | answer | added | auden | timeline score: 19 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 19:36 | answer | added | Makyen | timeline score: 99 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 19:10 | comment | added | TylerH | Also, please don't bury the review icon survey in a random place in a Meta post somewhere and only have it up "for a day or two". Make an announcement for the whole network, and tell them exactly how long it will remain open for. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 19:07 | comment | added | TylerH | "The SO top bar color was a branding decision and won't be changed to black." Why not? It's not universal if one site is different. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 19:00 | comment | added | Kevin | Could you comment on un-bolding the rep number? It's trivial to implement and mane people appear to agree it would be much less distracting. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:43 | comment | added | Richard | @called2voyage - Hmm. Or perhaps they could have just not broken it in the first place. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:38 | comment | added | called2voyage | @Richard Plus, you could always make sure your user image is markedly different with each account. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:38 | comment | added | called2voyage | @Richard Though allowed (with limitations) multiple accounts are not officially supported: meta.stackexchange.com/a/277435/228367 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:36 | comment | added | Richard | @called2voyage - Which is dumb. If I sign in with multiple accounts (work / personal), how do I know at a glance which account I'm using? | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:33 | comment | added | called2voyage | @Richard That's how the new top bar is supposed to look. It doesn't show username except in a tooltip. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:32 | comment | added | Richard | @Mithrandir - Turning off SOX means that my username is missing entirely. That's sort of an improvement | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:31 | comment | added | JonH | Search widths across sites are incorrect. meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/357658/… | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:23 | comment | added | Mithical | @Richard - that's from the SOX userscript, which has broken rather drastically. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:19 | answer | added | Chad | timeline score: 27 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:07 | comment | added | Pandya | Move site switcher from most right side to most left side (with the existing logo). | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:07 | answer | added | amWhy | timeline score: 22 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 18:03 | comment | added | Richard | The new top bar seems to think my name is "false" rather than Richard. Also, the left edge of the bronze badge icon is slightly cropped. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 17:38 | answer | added | Erik | timeline score: 22 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 16:41 | comment | added | Organic Marble | I hate this so much. I've clicked the left top icon a dozen times today. | |
| S Oct 10, 2017 at 16:17 | history | edited | Joe FriendStaff | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Added a missing word, some minor gramatical corrections, and removed un-needed spaces
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| S Oct 10, 2017 at 16:17 | history | suggested | tehDorf | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Added a missing word, some minor gramatical corrections, and removed un-needed spaces
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| Oct 10, 2017 at 16:14 | answer | added | TheLethalCarrot | timeline score: 19 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 16:01 | comment | added | DarkCygnus | @JoeFriend Thanks, I think it would be a great idea, as one would not have to scroll all the way up in the middle of reading answers or questions, to interact with the bar (respond to mentions, see achievement changes, do reviews, mod options, etc.) | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 15:59 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @petermortenson Clearly I need to hire you as my editor. ;) | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 15:58 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @GrayCygnus See "Stickiness global preference" item in the post above. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 15:53 | comment | added | DarkCygnus | Seems that the bar is working ok as per my experience. Just wondering why isn't the bar static (fixed when you scroll) like on SO? | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 15:47 | history | edited | This_is_NOT_a_forum | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
Active reading. [<http://stackoverflow.com/legal/trademark-guidance> (the last section) <https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/visibility#Noun>]
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| Oct 10, 2017 at 15:09 | answer | added | David | timeline score: 8 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 15:02 | answer | added | Journeyman Geek | timeline score: 8 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 14:48 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @MonicaCellio You can create a new post if you'd like and link to it here. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 14:41 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | @JoeFriend, where should we direct requests about implementation on stackexchange.com, Area 51, and chat? (I have a specific use case for the first of those that would be negatively affected by applying the current top-bar there, so I'd like the chance to raise it before it's too late.) Thanks for keeping us in the loop! | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 14:35 | comment | added | David | As a mod please please do not make the review icon a flag button. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 14:24 | history | edited | Joe FriendStaff | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
changed title
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| Oct 10, 2017 at 14:03 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @PetterFriberg See my TeamDAG project update for the other things we're working on including Ask a Question: meta.stackexchange.com/questions/301449/teamdag-project-updates/… | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 13:54 | comment | added | Stijn | "SO top bar color was a branding decision" so the marketing department is now in charge of UX. Fine, I give up, I'll resort to userscripts to work around whatever they come up with. But reading stuff like that makes me cynical. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 13:09 | comment | added | E.P. | Typo: "visability" under mod tools. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 12:32 | comment | added | jscs | Thanks for posting the survey about the icon. There doesn't seem to be a way to specify "I only think one of these is a good choice, and want to abstain on a second vote", so I haven't completed it. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 12:03 | comment | added | Skipper | @Joe Firend Awesome! It's great to see You guys keep constantly improving and taking feedback into consideration! Keep up the good work :) | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 9:47 | answer | added | doppelgreener | timeline score: 32 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 8:08 | answer | added | Joonas Ilmavirta | timeline score: 63 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 6:39 | answer | added | Dimitri Mestdagh | timeline score: 20 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 6:14 | comment | added | Petter Friberg | The nav bar is ok, I would switch dev efforts to other things as Ask question interface etc | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 5:54 | comment | added | angussidney | By the looks of it, you've either missed or rejected my suggestion to shrink the search bar a little. Can this please be fixed? It's a glaring issue, especially due to the tiny SE logo right next to it. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 1:27 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | @JoeFriend sorry, I was referring to JF's suggestion to put the site logo and shortened name in the topbar. That would mean that the logo would no longer be incorporated into the larger designs we have now -- or I suppose it could end up duplicated in the topbar and the site header design, but I assumed the designers wouldn't do that. A topbar short enough to be useful is too short to reflect designs like Worldbuilding's. We love our design and would be very sad if somebody broke it. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 1:23 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @MonicaCellio I'm not sure what the "that" is referring to in your first sentence. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 1:18 | comment | added | Monica Cellio | @JF that would damage the designs of many sites (SF&F, Worldbuilding, Mi Yodeya, to name a few). Also, I briefly used a userscript to put the site logo into the topbar instead of the SE logo and found that many site logos look terrible on a black background. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 1:13 | comment | added | user2284570 | @JoeFriend I suppose area51 won’t be concerned by the new top bar in any cases… isn’t it ? | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 0:44 | answer | added | Monica Cellio | timeline score: 83 | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 0:19 | comment | added | NotAgain | It works well. Why bother changing it? Please put an option of reverting to the older version so that old dogs like me are happy. | |
| Oct 10, 2017 at 0:01 | comment | added | J F | What about putting the site logo and shortened site name in the topbar? | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 23:00 | comment | added | Catija | @MrZak So am I... you see it here because you have less than 500 reputation. I have no Help Center link in the top bar. | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 22:47 | comment | added | Catija | @MrZak As I said, you won't see it at all on Blender (the only site you have +500 rep) on. That means that newer users will have it at hand while experienced users will have the link to the review queues. :D | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 22:41 | comment | added | Catija | @MrZak You won't have the help dropdown at all on any site you have more than 500 reputation on. It will be review instead... Though, I'm not sure how I follow that having the help link there will mess things up. Could you explain that? | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 22:38 | comment | added | Mr Zak | That's sad that's Help Center icon is now between the other sites icon and achievements with inbox, especially in that order. The achievements and inbox are opened quite often, other sites sometimes (for those who use them) and help center probably never (Or at least a lot more rare, when taking a tour and like that). They will mess up each other. | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 22:35 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @Vogel612'sShadow And the scope creep begins. ;) Seriously, we haven't started investigating this yet, be we will consider this when we start. | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 22:26 | answer | added | BJ Myers | timeline score: 14 | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 22:25 | comment | added | Vogel612's Shadow | somewhat related: If stickiness becomes a global setting (or an optionally global?) can we also move some other settings into global scope like keyboard shortcuts? | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 22:00 | answer | added | Mad Scientist | timeline score: 308 | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 21:51 | comment | added | Joe Friend Staff | @chrisf We will take a look at this. | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 21:42 | answer | added | Gilles 'SO- stop being evil' | timeline score: 128 | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 21:35 | comment | added | ChrisF Mod | Is anything going to be done about the different position of the red dot on the review icon? On SO it at the top right, but on other sites it's further down the icon. (I posted images in TL that I can dig out if you need example). Is this a side effect of the different topbar heights? | |
| Oct 9, 2017 at 21:10 | history | asked | Joe FriendStaff | CC BY-SA 3.0 |
