Timeline for Should the weight of question upvotes be increased network-wide?
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| Dec 7, 2019 at 13:02 | comment | added | David Hammen | A bit late to the game, but not just no, but absolutely no. Or rather, THIS. While good questions are important, good questions with lousy answers are worthless. This takes us down the path Quora took. Another way to look at it: It typically takes a good deal more effort to answer a question than it does to ask one. The former 1:2 question:answer ratio was wrong (in my opinion), but in the opposite direction. The 1:1 experiment has been in place for several weeks now, and I for one am extremely unsatisfied with the outcome. The unintended consequences should have been obvious. | |
| Nov 14, 2019 at 20:36 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | @user644520 In my experience you are completely wrong. Now what? | |
| Nov 14, 2019 at 19:54 | comment | added | I am not the way you speak | "... statistically people that gained reputation through answering ... are in better position to know what and how should be moderated." –– In my eyes many high rep users and quite a few moderators are prone to abuse their power and lack social skills. I haven't done any statistics, but to me SE has felt extremely hostile, and I have disengaged from most sites because of that. (I've been one of the highest rep users on a few sites, so I'm not saying this from a newbie perspective.) In my experience, you are completely wrong. Expert knowledge does not imply moderation or interaction skills. | |
| Nov 14, 2019 at 17:32 | comment | added | James | The answers are the only reward that matters if the question is genuine. I personally think that all question points should be withheld until an answer is accepted. | |
| Nov 13, 2019 at 21:39 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | @Marco13 Yes, bounty for good question seems like much better idea than just plainly raising reputation for all questions. | |
| Nov 13, 2019 at 21:26 | comment | added | Marco13 | @Henrik If someone wants to know that SE is doing to the veteran users, googling for "No means yes, yes means..." could be insightful. I'd favor a bounty for good questions, because that's a case where people (who have rep to spare) dedicatedly award outstandingly good questions. But it's already a severe problem that bad questions are upvoted by everybody who knows the answer (and now, the asker even gains privileges more quickly). The responses to this Q/A have been clear, and blatantly been ignored. Seriously, this is ridiculous. | |
| Nov 13, 2019 at 20:01 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | @Henrik Insanity strikes again. | |
| Nov 13, 2019 at 20:00 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | @user644520 Of course, that managing and answering requires different skill sets. But statistically people that gained reputation through answering have more knowledge about matter they are answering and are in better position to know what and how should be moderated. | |
| Nov 13, 2019 at 19:05 | comment | added | I am not the way you speak | "reputation gained through knowledge means moderation will be done by more knowledgeable people" –– That is not true. The knowledge required to answer questions is not the same as the knowledge needed to help manage a community. Think of two persons joining the site at the same time. One an eminent psychologist, the other a world famous photographer. The psychologist has just recently begun to photograph and now asks a newbie's question on Photo.SE, to which the knowledgable photographer gives an answer. Both have no experience of the site. Who is better able to moderate the site? | |
| Nov 13, 2019 at 18:30 | comment | added | Henrik | We’re Rewarding the Question Askers: "increasing reputation points for question upvotes [is] an exciting start to working hand in hand with the community". No means yes. | |
| Nov 11, 2019 at 20:27 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | @Mari-LouA Yes, SO is collapsing under its own size. If the reputation increase could benefit smaller sites, then let those sites experiment. On SO positive effects will be zero to none. We seriously don't need this, not even in our dreams... You don't need any reputation to use SO, you don't even need to be a member. I used SO for years before I became active. Yes, technology evolves and there are new questions worth asking, but most questions have already been asked and answered. New developers and students can find most of their answers just by Googling. | |
| Nov 11, 2019 at 18:17 | comment | added | Mari-Lou A Слава Україні | Then the real problem lies with the size of SO and with its regular users but because it is the SE's flagship, the rest of network will have to follow route. The rep increase will probably benefit smaller sites, and it will make it all the more hard to turn back the reform if SO users hate it (I suspect they will). I suggest that this rep increase be implemented as an experiment on SO for the duration of two months, if the quality of questions increase, then the reform can be adopted by every site (if necessary for the sake of practicality). | |
| Nov 11, 2019 at 18:07 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | @Mari-LouA "I'm speaking about attracting users to stay long enough so they too can begin care and help curate the site" It does not work that way. Not all users care about moderation and cleaning. A bit more numbers.. SO has 60,348 users with reputation above 3000. They could daily close over 480.000 questions... but do they? Not even close. Giving more reputation does not solve any problem, only creates additional ones. | |
| Nov 11, 2019 at 15:27 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | Inability to moderate leads to rewarding poor questions, as they will eventually gain upvotes and reputation - see cases 2 and 3 on anonymous answer. More reputation gives more incentive to repeat poor behavior. Good questions are rewarded even on SO. | |
| Nov 11, 2019 at 14:34 | comment | added | Mari-Lou A Слава Україні |
What has that got to do with raising the number of points on an answer? As anonymous rightly said, because increasing the value of an up-vote doesn't matter if nobody votes on a question I'm speaking about attracting users to stay long enough so they too can begin care and help curate the site. But if the underlying ethos on SO is your (pl) questions all suck, and you should be glad that we give you any answer. Well...the situation won't improve. Either that or visitors have to pay a subscription fee but that's going off-topic and I don't have any more spare time to reply to comments.
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| Nov 11, 2019 at 14:21 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | @Mari-LouA SO statistics for last 30 days: Questions Asked: 221616, Questions Closed: 23181. And probably many more questions deserved closure but were not closed. This is what SO is dealing with. Comparing to English Language with total 108,111 questions, and English Learners with total 70,047 questions. Don't know the close stats there, nor whether moderation on those sites is adequate (poor content can be closed and removed fast enough). | |
| Nov 11, 2019 at 13:26 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | @Mari-LouA We were more generous, we were commenting more we were guiding more. Then the Welcoming wagon ran over us. Now we just down vote and close vote (if we are not on strike). I just went over that page and half of 15 zero scored questions I opened deserved immediate down vote because they were just "I need this" kind of questions. | |
| Nov 11, 2019 at 13:08 | comment | added | Mari-Lou A Слава Україні | [transferred comment] Without quality questions, hi-rep users will continue to abandon SO, the exodus has already begun. SO has a tab for interesting questions, does it not? The first question in a page filled with 0 scores, with a score of 7 was posted seven months ago. Why is that? Why don't seasoned SO users, upvote questions more often? Even one upvote. How much does it cost to show some good will? Maybe if more hi-rep SO users had been more generous in the past, maybe we (the entire SE network) wouldn't find ourselves in this current situation. | |
| Nov 11, 2019 at 7:49 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | @Mari-LouA I agree with that part. If you are satisfied with found answers, you don't need to post duplicate questions. But, again that does not always justify upvote to each and every such question. | |
| Nov 11, 2019 at 6:31 | comment | added | Mari-Lou A Слава Україні | Later I'll post a reply in ny answer as to why I think the "me too" upvote us actually a positive thing. Hint: duplicates. | |
| Nov 10, 2019 at 16:36 | comment | added | KorvinStarmast | here are already way too many poorly researched and poorly asked questions which do not need to be incentivized. (If there was a way to put that in to blinking lights ...) | |
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| Nov 10, 2019 at 9:49 | comment | added | Resistance Is Futile | @JoKing I hope they will reconsider. But I would not get my hopes high. For years SE seems more interested in treating symptoms rather than dealing with core issues. | |
| Nov 10, 2019 at 9:26 | comment | added | Jo King | Individual sites have tried, but the official response is "The amount of rep that is generated by each action (question up-votes, etc.) is too integral to the system to be a per-site setting.", though that's already proven false by Stack Apps. Hopefully SE reconsiders? | |
| Nov 10, 2019 at 9:22 | comment | added | Mast | Exactly. It won't fix any problem while it would introduce a whole lot of new ones or make existing problems worse. | |
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| Nov 9, 2019 at 19:03 | history | answered | Resistance Is Futile | CC BY-SA 4.0 |