Timeline for All (or some) of my bookmarks or saved posts seem to have disappeared! What happened?
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| Oct 10, 2022 at 18:31 | vote | accept | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | ||
| Oct 6, 2022 at 22:52 | comment | added | Aaron Bertrand Staff | @bad_coder I don't know, sometimes duplication is more of a benefit to other people than a detriment to you. I'm sure some people hate seeing the same reminder on their watch, phone, and e-mail, but sometimes that redundancy helps me not miss a meeting or appointment. As for meta posts it seems people in general often react more favorably to lots of detail that is perhaps excruciating to you, than to terseness for the purpose of word count. | |
| Oct 6, 2022 at 22:21 | comment | added | bad_coder | Fair point @AaronBertrand , but after many streaks of +50 CVs/day a certain "discipline" (or habit?) goes into avoiding duplication. Duplicating announcements as short summaries (this thread has 794 words while the original tackles the same issue in 333 words) seems conceptually irreconcilable, a break from established practice and - a worrisome tendency going forward! | |
| Oct 6, 2022 at 21:17 | comment | added | Aaron Bertrand Staff |
@bad_coder In fairness, not everybody even sees the side bar (e.g. mobile), or takes notice, or just treats the whole sidebar as ads. We also can't elaborate on the headline of a sidebar announcement like we can on a post. As a new user I honestly don't know I'd be able to tell you where Bookmarks have evolved into Saves (temporarily disabled) would have taken me, even if I did notice it. And if I had a problem with bookmarks, I wouldn't have necessarily went looking in the sidebar for info about my problem (which, for all I know, only affects me and is unrelated to some deployment).
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| Oct 6, 2022 at 21:14 | comment | added | Aaron Bertrand Staff | Please let me know if you're still seeing this issue or if your bookmarks have successfully made the pilgrimage to saves, thanks! | |
| Oct 6, 2022 at 10:35 | comment | added | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | @bad_coder Or to put it another way, a certain number of duplicate questions have been averted as a result of putting the information in a clear place, as pointed out in the above comments. | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 18:57 | comment | added | Aaron Bertrand Staff | @JonathanZsupportsMonicaC I've fed back an explicit item for internal post-mortem conversations on how a banner or other notice on the bookmarks page would have been a smoother experience here (rollback or not). | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 16:00 | comment | added | Aaron Bertrand Staff | @V2Blast Right, I'm not sure of the delineation, but the blog post isn't mentioned on Seasoned Advice, for example. But the meta post is there (and is the only notification that mentions bookmarks specifically anyway). | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 15:53 | comment | added | V2Blast StaffMod | @AaronBertrand: Ah, it might be that blog posts appear in the community bulletin only on the technology sites specifically, then, but not other sites... 👀 | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 15:53 | comment | added | JonathanZ | @AaronBertrand - Yes, and I know things must be a little hectic around there right now. We've all had roll-outs go hinky, and it sucks. I will say that the idea of "inform people where they will be asking the question" was already on my mind, as the initial disappearance of "Bookmarks" left me similarly confused. Y'all might be overestimating how much the average user thinks about, and keeps up on, all the stuff you spend all your work time thinking about. | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 15:50 | comment | added | Aaron Bertrand Staff | @V2Blast I didn't check exhaustively but the two mentions I mentioned (ha!) are also on Database Administrators and on Ask Different. | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 15:34 | comment | added | Aaron Bertrand Staff | @JonathanZsupportsMonicaC Also keep in mind that it certainly wasn't our intention to have to roll back in a partially completed state, so there wasn't a perception that there would be any amount of time where that page would have been empty, and there isn't an easy facility to just jam a message in there now. | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 15:15 | comment | added | JonathanZ | My real world analogy is an elevator that is being worked on. You slap a sign right on the elevator door - you don't let users hit the call button, figure out that it's not working, and then expect them to find the bulletin board where the information is posted. (The bulletin board is still useful - good citizens will read it and pass on the information. But the average user should be told something right at the place of access, if you ask me.) Good luck with the roll-out - the new Saves features look interesting. | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 15:09 | comment | added | JonathanZ | Thanks for replying, @AaronBertrand. My suggestion is that you not be more invasive, but more strategic! Put a (temporary) notice right where people go to access their bookmarks. For example, right now when I go to my bookmarks tab, all I see is that it's empty. A notice right there that says "We are currently having issues with bookmarks.", plus a link to a post with details, would tell me what i need to know, when and where i want to know it. ... | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 15:03 | comment | added | V2Blast StaffMod | @AaronBertrand: It's only on SO and MSO (EDIT: all the technology sites, actually) that it's mentioned in 2 places in the community bulletin, since the blog post only appears in the community bulletin on those sites – on the rest of the network, only the MSE post is shown in the community bulletin. | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 14:54 | comment | added | Aaron Bertrand Staff | @JonathanZsupportsMonicaC To be fair, it was mentioned in two places on the sidebar. This is not a rhetorical question: how much more invasive would such notifications be and still be tolerable? I doubt you want us to have an additional cookie overlay or multiple top banner kind of scenario for every change. :-) | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 14:24 | comment | added | JonathanZ | Lots of people, like me, had no idea this was going on, only realized something was going on when their bookmarks went missing, and didn't know where to look for info until someone linked them to this. Anyone who claims this is useless doesn't know how a massive chunk of the user base interacts with the site(s). | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 11:22 | comment | added | Joachim | Users who encounter the problem mentioned in this post will likely search for "my bookmarks are gone" or something similar, and find this post a lot easier than the proposed duplicate. I think it is more practical to close this after the bookmarks have been fully and successfully replaced by the saves. I also don't see how this post has more downsides than upsides. It's pre-emptive, but if it won't help anyone, it also does no harm. VTLO for now. | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 11:10 | comment | added | Shadow Wizard | All that said, I really appreciate the efforts and see your point, my downvote and comments explaining it weren't easy to post, but I really believe that the downsides of this approach are greater than the upsides. | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 11:05 | comment | added | Shadow Wizard | It's spoon feeding, we don't need it here. Searching should be trivial, the announcement is featured, having positive score, and now always on MSE homepage, it's virtually impossible to miss. Those who can't find it won't find this post either. | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 9:47 | comment | added | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | @ShadowTheKidWizard What I'm referring to for "in a while" is a user who hasn't loaded their bookmarks page since the change rolled out (perhaps it was weeks prior to the announcement) and loads it today only to find that their bookmarks are gone. As far as usefulness, see the end of this post: one purpose for it is searchability, as a user who searches this site for "bookmarks gone" will not find results to take them back to that announcement and we'll have to deal with duplicates. See also my comment above: the answer provides an easier-to-read for new users explanation than the update. | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 9:43 | comment | added | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | @samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz The answer to this question quotes from the update in that post, and provides a further explanation so users who don't understand what it means (considering it has a fair bit of technical jargon) can more easily read it. | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 9:32 | review | Close votes | |||
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| Oct 5, 2022 at 9:11 | comment | added | samcarter_is_at_topanswers.xyz | Does this answer your question? Bookmarks have evolved into Saves (temporarily disabled) | |
| Oct 5, 2022 at 8:22 | comment | added | Shadow Wizard | I don't see the value of this. It is clearly said already in the announcement, anyone can just read it. And it was just launched single day ago, "loads their list of bookmarks for the first time in a while" is pointless, one day can't be "a while". | |
| S Oct 5, 2022 at 7:30 | answer | added | Sonic the Anonymous Hedgehog | timeline score: 7 | |
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